Prove there is a DEVIL

[kstar]

And so it begins, again . . .

If there is a Teapot




There must be . . .



Best,

Kurt

[frogger]

And so it was written.

[frogger]

Originally Posted by svandamme

dude, Spocks rebirth was also in the Old Testament Movies
the New Testaments were with Picard

Spock died in the 2nd Testament, MindMelted McCoy
who found out in the 3rd Testament and wasn't happy at first, but then he came round after Spock was found and reborn

you have some Testament studying to do Frogger...

I'm really a teapot follower. But I think I can be converted. What's the benefit package?

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

What are you saying?

Originally Posted by Shaun

Satan is stronger than God?

No. Absolutely not. But God has allowed satan to reign over this earth for a time.
Examples:

Originally Posted by 1 John 5:19

We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.

Originally Posted by Luke 4:5-6 - Ref: when Christ was tempted by satan.

The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. If you worship me, it will all be yours."

Originally Posted by Job 1:9 - Ref: God allows satan to ruin Job's life.

The LORD said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger."

Originally Posted by Shaun

Humans are absolved of all wrong doing because "the devil made me do it?"

Again, I am not saying that. While satan influences mankind (ie: temptation), ultimately, each and every man is responsible for his or her own actions.

Originally Posted by Eph 6:11

Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes.

Originally Posted by Shaun

I don't know about you, but Christ didn't die for our sins so that we could be blameless in the end.

Actually, through Christ's death, we are made blameless. He has made the payment for all of our sin and wrong doing. He "stood in" for us and received the punishment for our sins.

That said, "The devil made me do it" is not a valid argument. Everyone is tempted, and that's satan's doing. Those who succumb to the temptation are responsible for their actions.

Originally Posted by 1 John 3:8

The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work.

Originally Posted by Shaun

Saying Satan is the driving force behind the increase in evil (which there isn't BTW) is like the kid blaming his imaginary friend for the missing cookies.

Again, I'm not trying to avoid the responsibility for anyone's sins or wrong doing -- but satan is the driving force behind the evil in this world.

Originally Posted by James 4:7

Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Originally Posted by Shaun

Take responsibility for evil.

Take responsibility for combatting evil.

Look first upward, then inward, not down.

Indeed.

-Zoltan.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by frogger

I'm really a teapot follower. But I think I can be converted. What's the benefit package?

- you get to pick yer food and the ship's computer just materializes it
- excellent medical coverage
- see the universe
- a phazer
- a communicator
- you get to use terms like "dilithium crystals" and "shield harmonic frequency inversion"
- go really, really, really fast ( faster then Ricky Bobby, even faster then Maverick and Goose , Chuck Yeager or any of the Apollo or Shuttle Crews ever did)
- you can get to travel back in time ( in exceptional circumstances only )
- beam down to a planet, and have fun with the blue eyed, blue skinned blonde bimbo's there
- Holodeck (imagine hot superstar you want to try, tell computer, voila)

all in all, i think it's a very competetive package.
no rickety old crappy spaceships like the StarWars geeks have
that lightsaber get's old pretty quickly, it's no substitute for mod-con's

[frogger]

Sounds great. What's the downside?

[Icemaster]

"...for the mind is its own place, and itself can make a heaven of hell; a hell of heaven."

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by frogger

Sounds great. What's the downside?

nothing big, just couple of Klingons, Romulans, Borg, Dominion, Ferengi
but most of them are under control Kirk and Picard have shown the way, just have to follow their lead and avoid job's like yeoman Johnson , the sort that's usually #4 in an away party of 5

[Icemaster]

Had a conversation on faith one day with a Jesuit priest back in high school. Told me that if you need proof of god's existence, you have no faith. If you have no faith, you have no business attending church, all it was good for was an emotional panacea. Never went to church after that.

Rings true on both sides of the plate.

[frogger]

Well, that's something to think about, Stijn. Do I give up the relative safety of my teapots for phazors and photon torpoedos and some Romulan ale? Decisions, decisions.

[Aerkuld]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

Why does that look like Kryton from "Red Dwarf"?

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by frogger

Well, that's something to think about, Stijn. Do I give up the relative safety of my teapots for phazors and photon torpoedos and some Romulan ale? Decisions, decisions.

it's about faith
do you believe that teapots can satisfy you
or do you think you need something more, something like this



'nough said

[tabs]

Faith is when all is despair, without hope or sign and you keep going, one foot in front of the other.

[frogger]

[fumbling around] Where's my pen![/fumbling around]

[frogger]

Originally Posted by tabs

Faith is when all is despair, without hope or sign and you keep going, one foot in front of the other.

to the buffet table.

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by frogger

to the buffet table.

Is Tabs around?

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by Z-man

Is Tabs around?

Tabs always is, with or without Mother

[targa911S]

call 330-786-4479

It's my ex wife's number. give her a call and be convinced.

[svandamme]

mate, i hope that's not a real number
wouldn't want you to get into any legal "harrasement" trouble

[deathpunk dan]

you will all hail the goat
you cannot escape