following: man who shot 2 burglers

bivenator · 12-03-2007, 06:22 AM

This has created quite a shet storm here in Houston. Qanell X is our local Al Sharpton, I would have loved to have been there to watch as the bikers drowned out the X mans racist speech. Straight pipes are good for something.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5346606.html

legion · 12-03-2007, 06:27 AM

I'm glad to see some people have the balls to fight the hand-wringing ninnies.

flashgordon13 · 12-03-2007, 06:34 AM

I agree with those people; If you don't want to get shot, don't break into someones home. It's great to see a community of people with common sense.

kach22i · kach22i's Garage

I'm glad it did not end in violence.

I just had to look this clown up.

Quanell X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quanell_X

legion · 12-03-2007, 06:38 AM

I just wish counter-protestors could be so successful with Al and Jesse...

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

Uggh. I had to deal with Sharpton when I lived in Upstate NY, now I have to deal with this Clown in Houston. There was nothing racial about the shooting.

http://www.newblackpanther.com/10pointplatform.html

BUT, while Horn did what he thought was right, he isn't on the right side of the law in Texas. I doubt he will be convicted by a Jury, but he will probably go to trial. And since he's not on the right side of the law, he will most likely be sued by the families of the criminals he shot. The New Castle Doctrine law does not come into play if he violated the law.

Jeff Higgins · 12-03-2007, 12:37 PM

The shootings don't sound racially motivated, but Qanell X's protest sure does.

livi · 12-03-2007, 01:26 PM

I can agree with a law that makes it legal to beat the crap out of a malign introder on your own property, but was this not a neighboor house? Where do you draw a line? Properties in your own street, own town or pretty much anywhere? Can anyone go around like a vigilante with a gun and shoot people who seem to act criminally?

What am I missing?

Just wondering. I have personally no problems with criminals getting their a$$ kicked violently. No what so ever.

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

Markus: You are not missing anything. That is exactly the problem. People think Texas is a shoot first, ask questions later state. It is not. While I sympathize with the neighbor and the local community, he is definitely on the wrong side of the law here. With the 911 tape, I would be surprised if the District Attorney did not try for pre-meditated murder.

Racerbvd · Racerbvd's Garage

Quote:

Originally Posted by livi

I can agree with a law that makes it legal to beat the crap out of a malign introder on your own property, but was this not a neighboor house? Where do you draw a line? Properties in your own street, own town or pretty much anywhere? Can anyone go around like a vigilante with a gun and shoot people who seem to act criminally?

What am I missing?

Just wondering. I have personally no problems with criminals getting their a$$ kicked violently. No what so ever.

Line, that was crossed when the guys chose to breat the law. A GOOD NEIGHBOR would do just as this man did. I hope he doesn't get punished for doing the right thing!!!

livi · 12-03-2007, 01:55 PM

Thanks, guys.

But Byron, where geografically would you draw the line ? The neighborhood, city or anywhere?

David · David's Garage

A coworker lives in the neighborhood and showed me his video from the event. It was quite entertaining.

He also said that Qanell first showed up with a couple of his cohorts and one of the bikers walked up to him and shoved him back. Qanell turned around and got the woman and children for his march before coming back.

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

Quote:

Originally Posted by livi

Can anyone go around like a vigilante with a gun and shoot people who seem to act criminally?

What am I missing?

The shooter didn't "go around". He was lawfully armed in his own house when he saw his neighbor's house being burglarized. It's not vigilanteism to stop a crime in progress and in TX, IIRC, it's legal to shoot a felon attempting to escape, which these burglars were.

jyl · jyl's Garage

Whether his acts were righteous or not, they were stupid. This case should be a lesson to gun owners, on what it is and is not smart to do with your weapon.

When I took my CCW (CHL) class in OR, the instructor was very clear. There are certain times when you should shoot a man, and protecting property is not one of those times.

I understand TX law is not OR law, but it sounds like he's put himself at risk under TX law as well.

I do hope he gets off and isn't bankrupted by his legal costs.

Porsche-O-Phile · Porsche-O-Phile's Garage

Does this guy have a legal defense fund? I'd like to make a donation.

David · David's Garage

I doubt he'll have any legal fee issues.

From what I understand the man is very distraught about the shooting and probably hasn't been home since it happened. I've also heard his granddaughter was getting a lot of grief over this at school. While he may have the public support and the law behind him (barely) his life will never be the same.

HardDrive · 12-03-2007, 03:42 PM

What he did was both wrong and illegal.

I have a .40 Sig Sauer in my home for a reason: to defend my home and my family. Going out into your yard and shooting people that are leaving your neighbors house is vigilantism. I've heard the 911 tape, and sure as hell hope he ends up in jail.

I enjoy my 2 ammendment rights, and idiots like this make the NRAs job harder.

Hugh R · 12-03-2007, 04:22 PM

Harddrive, you remember that if and when you go through a Los Angeles type riot. Or a Katrina where the looters are running off with yours and your neighbors family heirlooms.

RANDY P · RANDY P's Garage

as much as I hate to say it, I believe the shooter has a serious issue on his hands.

It's one thing to witness a robbery and the neighbor is there, under assault and clearly needing your assistance - this can be an issue of life and death. It's another to just look out the window and take what was basically an uneducated guess as of to what's happening.

That was not the case here - no one home, and who knows? The guys could've been movers, authorized by the homeowners, anything. It was obvious that a robbery was occurning, but who are we as observers to determine where the line is drawn? The neighbor had no authority to make any determination of such. he also has unwittingly committed your neighbor to a lifetime of endless civil suits, over some merchandise that probably could've been replaced by insurance.

I for one would be a little irate if was that neighbor and he just got me a lifetime of legal bills.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the right to shoot and kill in TX is based on an old Blue Law designed for cattle rustlers? Unfortunately, this was not his property to protect, let alone decide if it's worth killing over.

Before someone screams at me for being a commie pinko liberal Rosie O / Clinton butt kissing terrorist appeasing pacifist no-good lefty, I'm not. I have firearms, and an NRA membership. I have sympathy, but unfortunately I don't think this is gonna work out for Joe the shooter.

rjp

tdatk · 12-03-2007, 05:56 PM

Something about this story tells me that this neighborhood has reciently had an increase of robbery attempts. I for one will not tolerate theft and once a group of thiefs find new targets, they exploit the easy pickins until someone, wheather it be police or homeowner confronts them. Personally I think this sends a message to the thugs that this shift won't be tolerated there.