777 Heathrow crash

[aap1966]

Originally Posted by beepbeep

I believe crash happened beacuse somebody pulled the runway under the aircraft just as they were about to land...

Most prescient comment so far.

[jeffgrant]

Was it on a treadmill?

[beepbeep]

Ironic enough, it's often Boeing crew that attacks Airbus for being "plastic jet" and having FBW but now Beings only FBW jet seems to have belly-flopped beacuse of FBW??

[Joeaksa]

[Neilk]

Originally Posted by jeffgrant

Was it on a treadmill?

Don't bring up treadmills and planes unless you want to surpass the thread count on grid girls...

BTW, I say "No, it wouldn't fly."

This apparent computer error makes me wonder whether Boeing can get their network sorted out properly on the 787. Apparently the Inflight Entertainment network isn't completely separate from the planes flight computers. They are going to depend on firewalls to separate whatever small portion of the network they share.

[Jeff Alton]

I get a good giggle out of all the expert incendent investigators here and on the internet in general. I think I will wait until the official report lands on my desk and we use it for case study purposes.....

Cheers

[Joeaksa]

Just received this in the emails. Cannot say where its from and its too new (and possibly a bit classified) for Snopes to have it just yet, but its a possibility. Not sure of the author, its from a friend of mine inside Boeing.

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Concerning the Boeing 777 that crashed short of the runway in London a few weeks ago.

BOEING 777 Crash

Well, the British aircraft accident investigation board has finally come around to the conclusion that I made several weeks ago: The event was RF( Radio Frequency )-induced.

Prime Minister Dr. Gordon Brown's motorcade was passing under the approach path of BA038. His security system utilized an RF transmitter to block out any cell-phone triggered devices. Apparently this system has a two mile range, and it caused the Boeing 777 EEC's (electronic engine controls) to sense a "overboost" situation, thereby commanding a reduced-thrust situation for the engines, simultaneously. Most interesting.

We'll see how Boeing and the BAA handle this one. This could be potentially bad, in view of the simplicity of technology that the bad guys could use to bring down an airliner.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Should be easy enough to verify. If it's legit, that's very disturbing.

[einreb]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Just received this in the emails. Cannot say where its from

Did you promise not to tell? Pinky promise?

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

and its too new (and possibly a bit classified) for Snopes to have it just yet, but its a possibility. Not sure of the author, its from a friend of mine inside Boeing.

That 'rumor' is at least a week old.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by einreb

That 'rumor' is at least a week old.

Then why didnt you post it?

[einreb]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Then why didnt you post it?

Because I can keep a secret.

I'm just poking you with a stick since your 'information' seems so clandestine but is actually a week or so old.

bottom of page posted on 3/5/08....

http://forums.subdriven.com/zerothread?id=3638684&page=10

[Joeaksa]

Had it not been posted on Aviation Leak earlier, my source would not have sent it out, so thats why I posted it.

AW posts a lot of things that are borderline for legality but are actually released by the DOD or aircraft makers knowing that it will be published. They cannot legally do it but AW does. There are reasons for this...

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Very interesting - I wonder if this will end up proving true.

One more reason I prefer mechanical/simple things to electronic things in aircraft, cars, etc.

I think I'll hug my 100% non-electronic 911 tonight. No kind of "radio interference" going to stop that one short of a nuclear strike EMP.

[3.2 CAB]

I have received information from the NTSB official that was called in for this scene, that the CVR when downloaded for review and replay, the last 12 seconds of the flight was just a series of repeated, "OHHHH $HITTTTT, OHHHH $HITTTTT!!!!!, HOLY $HITTTT!!!!, DAMN, WERE STILL ALIVE!!!"

[Joeaksa]

Most of us in that situation would say much the same thing.

[dagriff]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

We'll be sending a survey team over shortly, I'm sure. We are all assuming it will be to confirm it is a write-off for the insurance company. Then again, no one has written off a 777 yet, and no one wants to be the first. BA may be willing to spend up to the cost of new to fix this one. There are no open slots in the firing order for a few years, and they really need that airplane. Looking at that quartering left rear photo, though, with the walking beam torn loose and sticking out like that - I think she's done. I'll be in Cardiff in a couple of weeks on a 767 SIP tech assist for BA; I'm sure we will be talking about it then...

I don't know if you have been there before, but there are some great back roads in Wales.
If you feel like winding up the "Taffs" ask them if they still play Rugby there.....
Anyhoo... I have wondered why they don't video all take offs and landings, the cost would be minuscule when compared to the time taken interviewing eye witnesses. Maybe they do, I don't know.

[3.2 CAB]

Joe, you are 100% correct on that. I imagine that some of us have already had some of those moments.

[Flatbutt1]

I was wondering, was it just divine providence that the malfunction occurred on landing and not while at cruising altitude? In a way I guess the RF blocker makes sense considering its proximity. But what other condition could have caused this to happen on landing but not while cruising?

[jyl]

EXTRA SPECIAL NEWS ALERT - CAUSE OF 777 HEATHROW CRASH FOUND - EXTRA SPECIAL NEWS ALERT - CAUSE OF 777 HEATHROW CRASH FOUND -

Mr. Dempsey in seat 2B turned his cellphone on during flight.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by Flatbutt1

I was wondering, was it just divine providence that the malfunction occurred on landing and not while at cruising altitude? In a way I guess the RF blocker makes sense considering its proximity. But what other condition could have caused this to happen on landing but not while cruising?

High altitude is too high for the RF signals to effect anything. Thats IF, and its a big IF the RF theory is correct.

Right now it has not been proven IMHO.