Who will pay for the sin of murdering the unborn?

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Bob, I could be wrong, but isn't there a waiting list to adopt babies? It's always been my understanding that everyone wants to adopt an infant, and it's the adolescents and teenagers that have trouble finding homes.

There's a whole nother business.

Helped a friend with his adoption process.

He had to "give up" several babies because the mothers were basically "selling" the kids.

They would ask for things like living expenses for a year following the birth, clothes, cars, you name it.

Since my friend was in NY and NY law only allows an adoptive parent to pay for reasonable medical expenses up to birth he would have left himself open to legal problems as well as the mother being able to petition to have the child back since the finances of the arrangement were not legal hence neither was the adoption.

I think people that treat their bodies as baby factories for profit are reprehensible.

[Wrecked944]

Originally Posted by Paul_Heery

I'm wearing black today because it helps hide dirt.

I wear black every day because it is the color of my heart.

Oh yeah, it is also quite slimming!

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Rikao4

No Matt, had the V .
no regrets
Rika

Thanks, that explains a lot. The first time you hold your child in your arms, abortion seems absolutely insane.

[Moneyguy1]

Matt: Many people want to be very selective about what kind of baby they adopt. Some are not so choosey and they are the ones who wind up with the children o one else wans. A neighbor riend of mine has a brain damaged adopted grandchild. Kudos to the adoptive parents!!

[72doug2,2S]

Originally Posted by berettafan

Doug, i read your initial post and said to myself 'preach it brother!!!'.

Then i read your post about soc. security, etc. NONE of those things matters a whit in comparison to one human life. not only are those assertions questionable at best they detract from your initial statement which i felt was beautiful.

No I won't argue that the best argument for life is that this is a human being with the right to life and that nothing else really matters. Yes, you are correct, but these murders effect other things we don't often think about. So I don't wish to detract from the importance of life, but the question still remains, who will pay the penalty for the murder of the unborn?

No one can go back in time and perfectly predict the impact those lives would have had on society, but why not ask?

Let's open up the discussion.

[kang]

We’re all talking like abortion is the problem. It’s not. It’s just a symptom of the real problem. The real problem is unwanted pregnancies. Get rid of the problem, and the symptom will go away.

If only it were that simple. Women will get pregnant. That’s life. People talk about teaching teens to abstain, but that just backfires and makes them want sex all the more. Rape and incest will never go away. Adults will always give in to the passion of the moment. It’s an emotional thing, and emotions often override common sense and logic. Irresponsibility is only a small part of this.

There is no easy solution to unwanted pregnancies. Sure, I think we should make efforts in that direction, like sex education, providing condoms, etc, but at best that will only make a small dent in the problem. We must accept the fact that there will be unwanted pregnancies until humans lose their sex drive. That’s not going to happen anytime soon.

While we should do whatever we can to minimize unwanted pregnancies, we should be realistic and realize that we will never get that number down to zero. The question remains, then, how to handle unwanted pregnancies. There are only a few choices: abortion, adoption, or keep the unwanted baby. Adoption is a good choice and it needs to be made more readily available. But I certainly won’t force a woman to keep an unwanted baby, especially if it is a product of rape, abuse or incest. It is more humane, in my mind, to euthanize that baby before it is born, than to condemn it to a life of misery, lack of hope, abuse, cruelty, etc. Even knowing you were unwanted can cause major emotional damage. I want every baby born to be wanted, loved and cherished by its parents. I fear that unwanted babies won’t get this. Forcing a woman to have a baby she doesn’t want is a recipe for disaster for the child. Not every time, certainly, but enough of the time. And yes, sometimes this happens to babies that are wanted as well.

I’d like to see those who are vehemently against abortion put some of their energy into solving the problem, rather than just going after the symptom. How about trying to make adoption a more realistic choice? How about sex education? How about getting rid of the problem, rather than trying to make others behave according to your own morals?

[daepp]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

It's very telling that MANY women who have abortions experience psychological and emotional problems later in life. Also, excluding politicians, how many mothers and fathers do you see arguing in favor of abortion?

It's a sad sign of the selfish, immoral, self-serving society we live in. Screw up and get pregnant? Just kill it the baby. Sure, because the baby is to blame for your irresponsibility. What ever happened to adoption? I know several young couples that would love to have a baby.

As the father of two, it's a concept that makes me sick. I absolutely cannot believe that there are those in our society who feel it is ok to take the life of a child.

As a father of three, I say "Well Said!".

[onewhippedpuppy]

"How about getting rid of the problem, rather than trying to make others behave according to your own morals?"

I'm not so sure "Thou shalt not kill" is a radical moral. So by your reasoning, when an adult makes a mistake, or breaks the law, it's ok to kill a child as a result?

[Moneyguy1]

Why are so many people who are against abortion also against birth control?

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Exactly. Why are the "pro-choice" people so afraid of a woman or a couple making a more informed choice? Why are they so afraid of people seeing what it is they are aborting? Simple. Because the "pro-choice" crowd does not want emotion to enter this important decision; if it did, they would "lose". It's more important to that crowd that they "win" the debate than it is to allow people to make informed decisions.

I am pro choice. I am not pro abortion. Pro choice. The ability to make my own decision.

I do not believe in abortion. But I have a stronger belief that I don't have the right to make decisions for you.

Just because I am Pro Choice does not mean I will avail myself of the option.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

I am pro choice. I am not pro abortion. Pro choice. The ability to make my own decision.

I do not believe in abortion. But I have a stronger belief that I don't have the right to make decisions for you.

Just because I am Pro Choice does not mean I will avail myself of the option.

Way to duck responsibility. By that reasoning, everyone who breaks the law is "Pro Choice".

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Thanks, that explains a lot. The first time you hold your child in your arms, abortion seems absolutely insane.

3 1/2 yrs later i still relish that moment.

[Aurel]

Who will pay for the sin? Well, if it was a sin like you say, let God take care of it, mkay?
I know in radical muslim countries religious zealots like to substitute themsleves as middle men who implement the justice of God, but this is not where we want to be, or is it?

Aurel

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Way to duck responsibility. By that reasoning, everyone who breaks the law is "Pro Choice".

Huh?

[onewhippedpuppy]

Pro choice = you can't tell me what to do, regardless of morality.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Don't like abortion?

Fine. Don't have one.

Next.

[trekkor]

Of course, this issue is further evidence that man is unable to govern himself.

Nothing new here.

If he could, the problems we see... wouldn't exist.



KT

[peppy]

How many here have been offered abortion as a treatment option? My wife and I were given this choice with TTTS, diagnosed at 16 weeks. We had 45 minutes to make a decision to treat the condition or abort the pregnancy. We chose to fight a disease that has an 80% mortality rate and with the help of some great doctors we won.
Due to some complications after their birth we did lose one of our sons, but he fought until the end and died in his mothers arms.
My wife and I know that this was the right decision.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by Aurel

Who will pay for the sin? Well, if it was a sin like you say, let God take care of it, mkay?
I know in radical muslim countries religious zealots like to substitute themsleves as middle men who implement the justice of God, but this is not where we want to be, or is it?

Aurel

+999999999999999999

[nostatic]

why is it that the "Christians" often the most judgmental?

Amazing amount of flawed "logic" in this thread as well. Not surprising, but amazing.

As you were...