The b1tch is back...

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Sorry, but I don't look at this as a good thing for McCain. Either Clinton or Obama can potentially beat McCain and McCain can potentially beat either one of them. There's no such thing as a sure thing here.

In a general election with H.C., you'll see first-hand just how many stupid people we have in this country - they'll come out of the woodwork to rally behind this communist in the name of handouts for illegals and subprimers, slapping Bush in the face (which he admittedly deserves) and her empty platitudes. Yes, I honestly believe there are sufficient stupid people in the U.S. today to vote Hillary. Everyone who is adopting this "make Hillary win so McCain can beat her in the general election" strategy is making the HUGE ASSumption that he CAN. They assume (naively, IMHO) that the U.S. isn't stupid enough to elect Hillary. I (sadly) think they're absolutely, 100% wrong.

[lendaddy]

It's not even that Hillary is easier to beat, it's that Mac can sit back saving his money while these two spend their war-chests and beat the snot out of each other. And there is some truth to the fact that Hillary's folks will pull out stuff on Obama that no Republican would dare to. It is what it is but it's very good for Mac.

[onewhippedpuppy]

You guys are missing the funnest part of all this..........superdelegates. Even if Hillary is behind come convention time, as she is projected to be, I predict the Clintons have a LOT of strings they can pull to get the required superdelegates for the election. At which time the Democrats tear each other apart, the public shuns the party in disgust, and hilarity ensues.

[Tim Hancock]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Sorry, but I don't look at this as a good thing for McCain. Either Clinton or Obama can potentially beat McCain and McCain can potentially beat either one of them. There's no such thing as a sure thing here.

In a general election with H.C., you'll see first-hand just how many stupid people we have in this country - they'll come out of the woodwork to rally behind this communist in the name of handouts for illegals and subprimers, slapping Bush in the face (which he admittedly deserves) and her empty platitudes. Yes, I honestly believe there are sufficient stupid people in the U.S. today to vote Hillary. Everyone who is adopting this "make Hillary win so McCain can beat her in the general election" strategy is making the HUGE ASSumption that he CAN. They assume (naively, IMHO) that the U.S. isn't stupid enough to elect Hillary. I (sadly) think they're absolutely, 100% wrong.

So you are basically saying that Hillary is more electable than Obama? Well it is ultimately an opinion thing I guess, but I personally know plenty of people who claim to be independant that say that they would vote for Obama but not Hillary.

[legion]

Here's what I don't get.

Hillary and Obama are separated by 86 delegates--or 4% of the total needed to get the nomination. The press makes Obama's 4% lead out to be some huge, almost landslide-like margin. And they put Hillary out as being much like Mike Huckabee until yesterday. (And they started doing this when Clinton had a lead in delegates.)

It's a freakin' 4% difference! This is a dead heat that either could take.

Geesh!

[lendaddy]

Indeed, neither can possibly take the outright win in delegates. Unless someone drops out it MUST go to convention and THAT my friends will be some serious comedy.

[Hawktel]

Another problem with them knocking each other around is they could damage the winner to the point where its a easy victory for McCain.

If Obama wins, he and McCain are in a "untouchable" type fight. How do you pick on a Black Man, and how do you attack a War Hero? I think they both recognize that. If you watch both their speeches, its a filled with building the other up personally, while dismissing the other as being misguided.

If in the end Hilary truly pulls out some big guns on Barrak Obama, on his past Muslim ties. his records, and such, she is basically doing McCain's dirty work for him. McCain never has to attack him, Hillary has already said what needed to be said, as a example.

[lyon]

Obama made a a bunch of ground in Texas and Ohio, he was down 20 points, and came back to withing 3-4 points in Texas. Clinton had a lock on these two states and it is no surprise that she won them.

One thing that Clinton said last night kind of jumped out at me. She hinted that there might be an Obama-Clinton ticket, they were battling to see who gets the top position.

In that case, what do you think the chances are vs. McCain?

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

You guys are missing the funnest part of all this..........superdelegates. Even if Hillary is behind come convention time, as she is projected to be, I predict the Clintons have a LOT of strings they can pull to get the required superdelegates for the election. At which time the Democrats tear each other apart, the public shuns the party in disgust, and hilarity ensues.

Spot on. There will be such a bloodbath at the Dem convention. We could seriously see riots. Clinton will not even think about putting the good of the party or nation above her ambition. Sure, Obama doesn't have a huge lead, but of the contests left to go, Hildabeast has to win a LOT of them to come close to catching up. Check out the quote below from Ron Fournier's column today:

"It doesn't get any better for Clinton after Tuesday. Just for kicks, pencil the New York senator in for landslide victories in Wyoming, Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Kentucky plus narrow victories in Guam, Indiana, North Carolina, Montana and South Dakota — scenarios that give her a hefty benefit of the doubt and then some. And what happens?

She still trails Obama."

[island911]

Originally Posted by lyon

One thing that Clinton said last night kind of jumped out at me. She hinted that there might be an Obama-Clinton ticket, they were battling to see who gets the top position.

In that case, what do you think the chances are vs. McCain?

No, she hinted at a Clinton-Then-Obama ticket.


Imo, there is no way Obama would put Hillary on the His ticket. -Political Suicide.

McCain is the compromise candidate. with McCain the Dem's get something (a liberal) and the Republicans get something (a name.) The only way McCain could be worried would be if either Democrat could bring down their negatives. -Obama is so inexperienced, and Hillary so power crazed, both being so crazy Liberal, that McCain ends up being the least objectionable of the group. No doubt'the Dem's will be working hard to "go negative" on McCain... because they really can't compete otherwise.

[onewhippedpuppy]

McCain is close enough to the center that he can appeal to both sides. Obama and Hillary are too left to appeal to the right, and maybe some in the center as well. Dems will cross the party line for McCain, but it won't go the other way for Obama or Hillary.

[BeyGon]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Sorry, but I don't look at this as a good thing for McCain. Either Clinton or Obama can potentially beat McCain and McCain can potentially beat either one of them. There's no such thing as a sure thing here.

In a general election with H.C., you'll see first-hand just how many stupid people we have in this country - they'll come out of the woodwork to rally behind this communist in the name of handouts for illegals and subprimers, slapping Bush in the face (which he admittedly deserves) and her empty platitudes. Yes, I honestly believe there are sufficient stupid people in the U.S. today to vote Hillary. Everyone who is adopting this "make Hillary win so McCain can beat her in the general election" strategy is making the HUGE ASSumption that he CAN. They assume (naively, IMHO) that the U.S. isn't stupid enough to elect Hillary. I (sadly) think they're absolutely, 100% wrong.

Nothing good can come from this, I don't believe all that about the blood letting and hard fighting, already Hillary has talked about Obama as VP. We know that can't happen, it is just her mouth running to make her sound like she believes in him. Already trying for damage control when she is planning to get the delegates one way or the other. They, the Democrats will lock step right behind her and throw Obama to the street. The people ARE stupid enough to vote her in.
Of course I could be wrong, we can only hope.

[lyon]

I do not really see it the way you guys are calling it. If you look at the number of voters voting for Obama and Clinton they are sometimes 4 times the amount of voters voting for McCain. Even if Clinton gets the nod, I do not believe that Obama supporters would vote not for any Republican candidate after the way Bush and company have left the state of the nation.

It is a dream to believe that McCain is close enough to the center to attract a significant number of Democratic votes. I can see a small percentage of Republicans, maybe 4% that voted for Clinton to switch back over to McCain, but realistically, from the overwhelming turnout of Democratic voters in the primaries, the Republicans are not looking very healthy in the fall election.

[RKC]

Well, I usually vote for Democrats, and if Hlllary gets the nod, I will likely vote for McCain.

I must say, despite all the hatred here, Hillary is not pure evil, and neither is Bill. Even Hitler wasn't pure evil (autobahns, VW's, some nice paintings [Churchill's paintings were better!] - LOL).....but, like Hitler, both of these two ought to be opposed with all our efforts.

Why? Well, Hilary and Bill are both far greater liars and far more desperate for power than Nixon ever was - and that is saying something. And I feel and understand the hatred they inspire. Deep down, Nixon made you feel sad, 'cause he never seemed happy or comfortable with himself. And, yes, it is beyond doubt that he was a crooked liar. But after breaking some small rules, he still bowed to the greater ones and resigned due to political pressure. I think the true fear is that Hillary and Bill will not do this. Heck, Bill proved it in the late 1990's (had he stepped down, Gore would have been incumbent in 2000, and made up those few votes and we wouldn't be stuck in Iraq).

Basically, despite his sickness, in the last instance, Nixon was able to place country above his own personal future. And Bill (and Hillary) were not able to do this. (And don't start with the "it was just a lie about sex" defense - a lawyer knows what perjury is, just as a former stockbroker like Martha Stewart knows what insider trading is - the rules are the rules, and if you get caught, no matter how it all started, you'd better play it straight).

If Hillary wins, I cannot vote for her.

Obama? Well, I think that words ARE the most important part of the presidency - and that vagueness in the campaign is OK (Reagan 1980?). It IS A BULLY PULPIT and not much more. A president can't legislate a recession away, but he can inspire tens of thousands inside government and outside government to put in more effort, and work towards a better world, and thus by "Voodoo" make it happen. By similar "Voodoo" he/she can make people love this country a bit more again. Again, this is what Reagan did that proved of so much value. I don't want my taxes raised, and I don't want my SS deduction to keep going all year, but hey, we've spent ourselves into a hole and I don't want my kids to pay forever either. And I don't think our spendthrifts ways will help us indefinitely.

Hillary vs. McCain? McCain.

Obama vs. McCain? Unsure, and will listen to the debates closely, though I've given money to the Obama campaign.

[Tim Hancock]

Originally Posted by lyon

realistically, from the overwhelming turnout of Democratic voters in the primaries, the Republicans are not looking very healthy in the fall election.

I asked my boss, a republican, if he voted yesterday and he said why bother, McCain has already wrapped it up.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Tim Hancock

I asked my boss, a republican, if he voted yesterday and he said why bother, McCain has already wrapped it up.

Exactly.

[Nathans_Dad]

Ok here is why a Clinton nomination is good for McCain.

First, all those young optimistic people in the Democratic party who are loving Obama will be crushed and disillusioned if the old power brokers in the party give the nomination to Clinton. They will see it as business as usual and will likely not vote as much in the election. Second, a Clinton nomination will galvanize the fractured Republican base which likely would sit back and watch Obama breeze into office.

[Flatbutt1]

And Clinton is already hinting that the superde;egates should vote "their conscience" not by the popular vote. I'll try to find the quote but basically she said the superdelegates should vote the way the population would have voted had they known more about Obama, whatever that is.

HERE IT IS

On Wednesday, Clinton and her campaign clearly aimed their case at those so-called "superdelegates" — a strategy that could take the nomination fight all the way to the party's August national convention in Denver.

"New questions are being raised, new challenges are being put to my opponent," she said. "Superdelegates are supposed to take all that information on board and they are supposed to be exercising the judgment that people would have exercised if this information and challenges had been available several months ago."

[baldman]

Originally Posted by Tim Hancock

I personally know plenty of people who claim to be independant that say that they would vote for Obama but not Hillary.

Yup - count me in. Not saying I will vote for Obama, but I will say that if you strung me up by my privates over a pit of hungry alligators and the only way to live was voting for Hillary.... it's been a nice ride.
I despise that lying two faced waste of oxygen more than I have ever felt about any political candidate in any election.

Her experience is going to save the day! Yeah, just like having a heart attack and calling the wife of the cardiologist will save you. I'm glad to see Obama is finally starting to call her on that line of crap.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by baldman

Yup - count me in. Not saying I will vote for Obama, but I will say that if you strung me up by my privates over a pit of hungry alligators and the only way to live was voting for Hillary.... it's been a nice ride.
I despise that lying two faced waste of oxygen more than I have ever felt about any political candidate in any election.

Her experience is going to save the day! Yeah, just like having a heart attack and calling the wife of the cardiologist will save you. I'm glad to see Obama is finally starting to call her on that line of crap.

My mom said almost these exact words to me on the phone last night. She hates Hildabeast more than Palestineans hate Israelis.