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				WTF is this Safari crap?  Save me from endless "update" hell!
			 
			
			I'm getting SOOOOOOOOOOOOO sick and tired of having to download (and install, generally requiring a reboot) of this-or-that update, service pack, patch, whatever every time I sit down at my computer.  While I'm all for making sure I'm protected from the latest virus or bugaboo or the last in fifty million security vulnerabilities in the Microsoft armor, this is getting ridiculous. 
		
	
		
	
			
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			I can't complain about too many updates.  Firefox does it on a restart of itself, so I barely ever notice.  The most frustrating one for me is the fact that Apple seems to want me to download a new version of iTunes every 3 weeks.
		 
		
	
		
	
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			
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	I have Windows XP home version on the PC. I turn the PC on in the morning and off every night. What I notice is that 5 out of 7 times, at turnoff, Windows installs an update. Thats an awful lot of updates and it causes me to wonder what is going on. Any one else see this much update activity? Just curious. ![]() Curt  | 
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			Is there a way to make the system do this when I'm not home or something?  It's awfully annoying to either have to sit there while my bandwidth is sucked away on this stuff, or have to reboot, or scroll through pages of EULAs (that nobody ever reads) to find a checkbox I need to click to continue, etc. 
		
	
		
	
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
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			I keep my laptop "light & lean" (i.e. no personal data (kept on removable drives), no Windows updates, no virus checkers, no NUTHIN'  
		
	
		
	
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
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			Using Safari is the problem. I love Camino. FireFox is nice as well, just a little slower.
		 
		
	
		
	
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			Gosh... we are complaining about Apple are we?  
		
	
		
	
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			So their computers do have warts after all! ![]() Do not seem to have this issue with my Dell... 
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			I use Firefox myself and Thunderbird for e-mail.  Firefox updates while you are browsing and then just gives you a little pop-up the next time you start it up.  Done.
		 
		
	
		
	
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			Is there a way to set up the thing so it automatically runs all the updates, agrees to all the stupid disclaimers and just gets it over with while I'm at work or something? Sitting here for minutes at a time twiddling my thumbs waiting for the system to download one more useless update I'll never benefit from is pretty much insufferable. I'm ready to seriously yank this PC off the Internet and never have to deal with it again. 
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			If one can overcome his/her anti-Apple mentality, the latest Safari is a really nice browser and probably the most compatible with the modern 2.0 web.  It's not perfect and does have some warts, but it is now my 90% browser, with Firefox seeing less and less usage. 
		
	
		
	
			
			
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
	
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