Where did they come from?

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by nostatic

oh, this should get good...

Yup. Most of the usual suspects are on board.

An interesting pattern has revealed itself. Several of those who worship at the alter of Dawkins et. al. have added little, or nothing at all, to the technical body of this, a car forum. They participate in very few threads other than these various "God threads". They may be absent for days, sometimes weeks, until another "God thread" surfaces. Then it's amazing just how quickly they resurface.

One is left to wonder just how many gardening, home remodeling, model railroading, guitar, or other forums get similar attention from this lot. Nothing worthwhile to add to the various bodies of technical knowledge, but much to say (and none of it even remotely thoughtful or civil) about anyone who would dare mention God.

What an empty life. One is left to wonder just how much time and effort these put into their crusades. Surfing the net, looking for any mention of God on any sort of forum whatsoever. Beating up on some poor guy who happens to mention thoughts of his God while tying tying his flies for his next quiet day on the stream. Oh well; I guess everyone needs to feel as though they have a purpose. The Christians spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the atheists spread their Gospel of Richard Dawkins. With equal fervor and commitment.

[trekkor]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

Do you know how many years went by between the flood and Babel?

I believe I can find that answer.
I may not have time this morning.


KT

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by trekkor

I believe I can find that answer.
I may not have time this morning.


KT

Thank you!

[trekkor]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

The Bible is very clear on this. Days are days. They have always been, and always will be, 24 hours in length. If you can post where the Bible has a different definition of days, please do so, but don't just make up the Word of God(TM) to suit your manmade theory. God frowns on that sort of thing.

Why would the creator of our universe, time, space, motion, mass, and energy be limited to a literal 24 hour day as we know it?

If you read the account in Genesis ( you should, if you are going to discuss this topic ) you'll notice that days 1-6 each had an ending.
The 7th day has not ended... If it were 24 hours in length it would have.

As A Religious Encyclopaedia (Vol. I, p. 613) observes: “The days of creation were creative days, stages in the process, but not days of twenty-four hours each.”—Edited by P. Schaff, 1894.

The entire period of the six time units or creative “days” dedicated to the preparation of planet Earth is summed up in one all-embracing “day” at Genesis 2:4: “This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.”



KT

[trekkor]

2370 B.C.E. - year of flood.

The approximate time for the of Babel building may be drawn from the following information: Peleg lived from 2269 to 2030*B.C.E. His name meant “Division,” for “in his days the earth [that is, “earth’s population”] was divided”; Jehovah “scattered them from there over all the surface of the earth.” (Ge 10:25; 11:9) A text of Skarkalisharri, king of Agade (Accad) in patriarchal times, mentions his restoring a temple-tower at Babylon, implying that such a structure existed prior to his reign.

Within 100-300 years.
I'll spend more time on this later.

KT

[9dreizig]

Does the Bible say anything about the correct time between oil changes ( with and without track days?)

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by 9dreizig

Does the Bible say anything about the correct time between oil changes ( with and without track days?)

I don't think so - but you should change oil religiously.

[M.D. Holloway]

Its plainly simple - food. Food makes you act different and look different. Fill up on stir fry and rice for a few generations and you will start turning yellow and have squinty eyes, eat taters and ham and cabbage and your skin will get pasty white and your hair will turn red, chase after them there antolopes and eat bugs and pretty soon your skin will get black...

Its all about the diet. Adam & Eve where Mexican.

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by 9dreizig

Does the Bible say anything about the correct time between oil changes ( with and without track days?)

it depends on how it tastes

[widebody911]

Originally Posted by dentist90

A miracle now is someone surviving a plane crash, or a pizza displaying the image of the Madonna (assuming she posed for a portrait at some point in her life thus we know what she looked like).

Didn't you see the naked pix of her back in the 80's?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by nostatic

it depends on how it tastes

T-Rex tastes like Chicken.

[Jim Richards]

Weekend days never last the full 24 hrs. And Mondays, ack! They seemingly go on forever.

I love Mexican food.

[JavaBrewer]

Here we go again. The bible is 100% accurate...as long as you agree that 4 corners describes a sphere and that a day is not measured by the rise & fall of the sun. Sorry KT but IMO these Lascaux paintings pretty much debunk your interpretation of Genesis. I know I know the dating methods are flawed...

[Nathans_Dad]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

The Bible is very clear on this. Days are days. They have always been, and always will be, 24 hours in length. If you can post where the Bible has a different definition of days, please do so, but don't just make up the Word of God(TM) to suit your manmade theory. God frowns on that sort of thing.

Actually I don't believe that the bible sets a day as 24 hours. It says something more along the lines of "and there was evening and there was morning, the first day".

No where in there does it talk about 24 hours....I believe that notion of time came MUCH later.

[Jim Richards]

Perhaps all you religious guys should talk amongst yourselves and reconcile all your differences.

[Nathans_Dad]

Jim it really doesn't matter whether religious guys agree or not. In the end the only thing that matters is the truth, which may or may not be seen in organized religion.

I do think it is a little funny that people today expected God to explain in minute detail the creation of the universe. Remember that the Bible was written by men thousands of years ago, in a time when they had the wheel, some tools and the alphabet...that's about it.

Do you really expect Genesis to read like "And thus God caused a sub-atomic fusion reaction to occur which letteth off the rays called alpha, beta and gamma. And so these rays fell upon the earth and caused the molecules in the atmosphere to speed up, thus creating warmth. And the oceans teemed with nucleic acids and simple proteins while sulfur was being reduced in the depths of the oceans...."

The creation story is an allegory which was written to make sense to the people of the time. Sheesh, it isn't that hard.

[Jim Richards]

Agreed. But, it would've made for some fun viewing. I was going for the popcorn.

[Nathans_Dad]

I would venture to say that Rodsrsr is out on a limb that no one else will join him on...

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

I would venture to say that Rodsrsr is out on a limb that no one else will join him on...

I would agree with you but since I'm not a tree surgeon I'm not qualified to comment...

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

Actually I don't believe that the bible sets a day as 24 hours. It says something more along the lines of "and there was evening and there was morning, the first day".

No where in there does it talk about 24 hours....I believe that notion of time came MUCH later.

Exactly. Here we have a clear case of men writing down the Word of God(TM): And God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. 6

Unless the Earth rotated around it's access at a different speed when Genesis was written, a day was 24 hours back then as it is today, when morning is followed by evening, the same as it is today spanning 24 hours.

Simply put: men wrote Genesis (both unique accounts of creation) and their actual, literal experience of a day was the same as it is today, evening followed by morning.

I know this because the Earth only rotates at one speed, always has, always will.