Is Rev. Wright ever going to shut up?

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by gsmith660

but what I have heard come from him so far

The mainsteam press seems to be very careful and good at exposing only that which serves to embroil conflict.

Take the time to hear things in context and in whole. Once you do that, the story is over and they (the press) will need something new to tantalize our interest with.

[gsmith660]

I saw on the news today Rev. Wright behind the pulpit saying when "Obama gets elected that he will be the first president to legally have a black woman in bed at 1600 Penn. Ave. " what need is there for something like that to come from the pulpit at a church service?

[cairns]

"This is disappointing. Personal desire? What a perversion of one man's desire to share a message, an important message. A message no one wants to hear. his job, as a preacher, is to share a message. that's his job description."

Perhaps you joined his church or made a donation? What's so important about his message? Why do you tend to describe his motives as altruistic?

I think everybody in America has heard his message by now and all he wants to do is draw attention to himself. And I think most Amercians don't think his message important, helpful or truthful. In fact, most think it's bombastic, racist, hateful, ignorant garbage and don't want to hear it again.

But certainly he has the right to say and do whatever he wants. I'll bet Hillary is loving it and Obama is cringing.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by cairns

"This is disappointing. Personal desire? What a perversion of one man's desire to share a message, an important message. A message no one wants to hear. his job, as a preacher, is to share a message. that's his job description."

Perhaps you joined his church or made a donation? What's so important about his message? Why do you tend to describe his motives as altruistic?

I think everybody in America has heard his message by now and all he wants to do is draw attention to himself. And I think most Amercians don't think his message important, helpful or truthful. In fact, most think it's bombastic, racist, hateful, ignorant garbage and don't want to hear it again.

But certainly he has the right to say and do whatever he wants. I'll bet Hillary is loving it and Obama is cringing.

+1 Ironic that Obama has provided Wright with the national stage from which to spew his racist rants, and in the process is hurting his own chances to become president.

[gsmith660]

Originally Posted by kach22i

The mainsteam press seems to be very careful and good at exposing only that which serves to embroil conflict.

Take the time to hear things in context and in whole. Once you do that, the story is over and they (the press) will need something new to tantalize our interest with.

He has no business doing it from behind the pulpit, what does a sermon like that have to do with spreading the word of God and teaching us what is in the bible. He is making a political statement and nothing more.

[varmint]

active duty Marine.


pathetic argument, lee harvey oswald was an active duty marine too. wright's been a raving america hating fruitloop for the last thirty years. his military service doesn't cut him that much slack.

here's a link to the full unedited sermon.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352661,00.html

the quotes seem just as crazy in context. what i find striking is the reaction of the parishioners. they're shouting "amen" at each insano statement. it's a whole church full of loons. obama spent twenty years there. it's ridiculous to say he didn't know what was going on.

and he apparently felt comfortable bring his kids up surrounded by these weirdos.

[widgeon13]

Wright, Sharpton and Jesse and the rest of these black civic dogooders don't want Obama to win because if he does it takes away their downtrodden, oppressed position. They lose some of their platform if a black is elected.

They want to continue to be oppressed so they can milk the system and maintain their sympathetic support. How do you continue to blame it on whitie when you have a black president?

You don't see these men speaking in cities headed by black mayors unless it is to complain about lack of federal funding or some other weak argument.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by gsmith660

He has no business doing it from behind the pulpit, what does a sermon like that have to do with spreading the word of God and teaching us what is in the bible. He is making a political statement and nothing more.

His point, if I understand it correctly is that when we say "God Bless America" we are mixing religion and government and religion is God's domain. You should not bless the actions of a government, that would be too similar to worshiping a government and you should only worship God, the lord and Jesus Christ.

We don't say:
God bless American's

We don't say:
God bless the American Government

I can see room for the twist of words and meaning here.

The ability to say "D--- my government" is not the same as saying "D--- it's people".

The list of bad things done under the watch of our government (war, slavery, mass murder) in the full speech places the context on those evils. The evil of governmental actions cannot receive God's blessing - that I think was the point.

If you do those things of evil (history says we have) then you are not blessed, only God is blessed...........or so the sermon says.

[Dan in Pasadena]

Originally Posted by widgeon13

Wright, Sharpton and Jesse and the rest of these black civic dogooders don't want Obama to win because if he does it takes away their downtrodden, oppressed position. They lose some of their platform if a black is elected.

They want to continue to be oppressed so they can milk the system and maintain their sympathetic support. How do you continue to blame it on whitie when you have a black president?

This is too cynical to comment upon. Neverthelss, I do agree Rev. Wreight can say whatever he wants. If in some misguided way he thinks he contributing to the advancement of Obam or black men and women in gneral, so be it. I think this is a case of perhaps winning a battle but losing the war.

[URY914]

Originally Posted by kach22i

The list of bad things done under the watch of our government (war, slavery, mass murder) in the full speech places the context on those evils. The evil of governmental actions cannot receive God's blessing - that I think was the point.

If you do those things of evil (history says we have) then you are not blessed, only God is blessed...........or so the sermon says.

But he seems to ignore all the good this country has done. If we're so bad name a country that's better. And as far as slavery, it was legal at the time. The laws were changed and its not legal now and when it was it was 150-200 years ago. BTW when did this country carry out mass murder?

[Rick Lee]

Why do people constantly scream out "free speech" and all and think that somehow makes it ok to say anything? It only means the government can't punish you for it. It doesn't mean the millions of offended Americans can't express their outrage and vote accordingly. However, Wright's rants from the pulpit should very much throw his church's tax exempt status into question. I don't care what political bent he spews there. It's illegal to do that IF you want to be exempt from paying taxes while using your "non-profit" for electioneering.

[gsmith660]

Originally Posted by kach22i

His point, if I understand it correctly is that when we say "God Bless America" we are mixing religion and government and religion is God's domain. You should not bless the actions of a government, that would be too similar to worshiping a government and you should only worship God, the lord and Jesus Christ.

We don't say:
God bless American's

We don't say:
God bless the American Government

I can see room for the twist of words and meaning here.

The ability to say "D--- my government" is not the same as saying "D--- it's people".

The list of bad things done under the watch of our government (war, slavery, mass murder) in the full speech places the context on those evils. The evil of governmental actions cannot receive God's blessing - that I think was the point.

If you do those things of evil (history says we have) then you are not blessed, only God is blessed...........or so the sermon says.

Sorry don't take his wrong but you are so off the mark of what I am saying. So just to clarify what I hear you saying is that his statement about the white house and a black woman was appropriate for behind the pulpit, can you show me the passage in the bible that reflects this. When the constitution was wrote all those years ago it called for a separation of church and state it wasn't to keep the church out of gov. it was to keep the gov. out of the church but some ministers these days take it too far and he is one of them. He needs to tend to his flock and not to sensationalizing.

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by kstarnes

Wright's continued apparent personal desire for the spotlight is possibly hurting Obama

This is why the 'N' word just will not go away. Ever. Just classic 'N' behaviour.

[Rearden]

Originally Posted by kach22i

The mainsteam press seems to be very careful and good at exposing only that which serves to embroil conflict.

Take the time to hear things in context and in whole. Once you do that, the story is over and they (the press) will need something new to tantalize our interest with.

The mainstream press ignored Wright as long as possible. Sean Hannity talked about Wright's vile sermons for an entire year, until finally, somebody at Fox News walked into the church and acquired the DVDs that included the clips we've all seen. The video changed everything. It became impossible to ignore.

[nostatic]

ok, all the poor black people in the room raise your hand.

How do you know that he isn't actually speaking for a vast number of people who fell the same way he does? It's kinda like those crazy Australian versions of the map of the world - the US isn't at the center of it.

Perspective accounts for alot.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

active duty Marine.

I'm sorry if free speech, or his speech, makes you uncomfortable.

Ironic: he fought for you to have it and you want him to shut up.

I see. It's free speach if he says what you want or something that will help you get what you want, it's an outrage if someone says something that opposes your position.
Maybe the marines should have taught him the difference between a lie and the truth.
Maybe the marines should have taught him not to spread hate in his speaches, maybe they should have taught him not to preach racism.

[KaptKaos]

For a guy that thinks America is so bad, he's made a fine living for himself here.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by URY914

BTW when did this country carry out mass murder?

Are you kidding?

Native Americans........Indians.

I was not around for it, both sides of my family were still on the other side of the ocean when it happened.

I picked out this website at random, just do a Google search to find more information.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/genocide5.htm

"By then [1891] the native population had been reduced to 2.5% of its original numbers and 97.5% of the aboriginal land base had been expropriated....Hundreds upon hundreds of native tribes with unique languages, learning, customs, and cultures had simply been erased from the face of the earth, most often without even the pretense of justice or law." Peter Montague

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

I see. It's free speach if he says what you want or something that will help you get what you want, it's an outrage if someone says something that opposes your position.
Maybe the marines should have taught him the difference between a lie and the truth.
Maybe the marines should have taught him not to spread hate in his speaches, maybe they should have taught him not to preach racism.

this from the most hateful person on OT.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by nostatic

ok, all the poor black people in the room raise your hand.

How do you know that he isn't actually speaking for a vast number of people who fell the same way he does? It's kinda like those crazy Australian versions of the map of the world - the US isn't at the center of it.

Perspective accounts for alot.

I think he probably does speak "for a vast number of people who feel the same way he does". But, IMO, this (his continued controversial speaking!) has created a political problem for Obama in the minds of many moderate voters.

That's the rub, whether it is reasonable or not, for BO.