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Habitat is completely apolitical and is no reflection at all on Carter's piss poor judgment on everything having to do with world affairs.
who said the topic had to be about politics/world affairs?

the question was "Who would listen to him?"

we will put you in the "not me" column

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Old 06-04-2008, 01:39 PM
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I still think someone needs to answer Wayne's question - Why would anyone listen to Jimmy Carter?

My answer is that I'd listen to him just in case I was unsure of what to do. And then I'd do the exact opposite of what Carter said and sleep very well, knowing I had done absolutely the right thing.
Rick,
I'm sure your critical thinking and analysis skills are further along than that. When GW or Cheney suggest something, do you automatically genuflect or toss a coin?

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Jeff has heard that Boeing will open a new office. The Division of Philosophy. He's been expanding his mind recently because he intends to compete for that Vice-President position.
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What's the refuge of a Bush apologist?

Blame Bill Clinton ("stained blue dress!")

When that goes nowhere, blame Jimmy Carter ("inflation!")

I guess when that goes nowhere they can start blaming Lyndon Johnson. . .
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I imagine George W. bush will issue opinios someday and some people will think he's right. Maybe he will be....if the subject is NASCAR!
I think he will follow the mold of Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and his father and not comment on politics after his time is done.
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He took office shortly after the formation of OPEC.
I wouldn't consider 17 years "shortly after".

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Nope, like in so many other things, OPEC saw in Jimmy Carter a "soft target"--one who would use words over actions.
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I think he will follow the mold of Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and his father and not comment on politics after his time is done.
Hope youre right and not just because its Bush. I think this is probably the best approach for all former Presidents. You had your chance, you made your decisions; let the next guy do his best/worst.
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I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but when I was young, non-informed about how Capitalism worked and "wanted to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony", I voted for Jimmah.
Worst mistake in voting I ever did...must have been the "Billy Beer".
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Rick,
I'm sure your critical thinking and analysis skills are further along than that. When GW or Cheney suggest something, do you automatically genuflect or toss a coin?

Sherwood
No. Unlike Carter, once in a while, Bush gets it right. It may be a 50/50 deal with Bush, but with Carter, he's wrong every time.
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Sure, Carter has lately become a very popular Whipping Boy. But frankly, that does not mean the majority of Americans, or the majority of people, think he's a laughing stock. The Shooting Gallery does of course. But not necessarily the majority. Former President Carter is actually a fairly respected public figure. Again.....outside the Shooting Gallery crowd.
With all due respect: HORSE FEATHERS!

JC will go down in history, long after we are dead and gone, as the worst President of the the 20th century and will probably rank below GWB on the all time list.

The "Misery Index." Give me a break!!!
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Half-full/half-empty I guess.

If Obama picks Hillary as a veep, he's a COMPLETE idiot and has basically signed his own death warrant.
I can hardly think of a way to MORE ENERGIZE the right than to run Obama and Clinton on the same ticket.

Every conservative, racist, and hillary/clinton hater in America would unite to form a massive voting block to stop them from winning.
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Poppycock. Factually speaking, Dubya has put up some public perception numbers that are not only world records but are unlikely to be bested (or should I say worsted) in our lifetimes. History will remember Carter as ten times the leader that Dubya has been. History will show Carter as being in a tough situation. Dubya will be remembered as CREATING a tough situation.
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I've lived through Carter and Bush, i think you're nuts. Carter was an idiot of the 1st order. The sense of hopeless morass that pervaded this nation under his watch was something i've never seen since, thankfully.
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From OPEC's own website:

The 1960s
These were OPEC’s formative years, with the Organization, which had started life as a group of five oil-producing, developing countries, seeking to assert its Member Countries’ legitimate rights in an international oil market dominated by the ‘Seven Sisters’ multinational companies. Activities were generally of a low-profile nature, as OPEC set out its objectives, established its Secretariat, which moved from Geneva to Vienna in 1965, adopted resolutions and engaged in negotiations with the companies. Membership grew to ten during the decade.

The 1970s
OPEC rose to international prominence during this decade, as its Member Countries took control of their domestic petroleum industries and acquired a major say in the pricing of crude oil on world markets. There were two oil pricing crises, triggered by the Arab oil embargo in 1973 and the outbreak of the Iranian Revolution in 1979, but fed by fundamental imbalances in the market; both resulted in oil prices rising steeply. The first Summit of OPEC Sovereigns and Heads of State was held in Algiers in March 1975. OPEC acquired its 11th and final current Member, Nigeria, in 1971.
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Poppycock. Factually speaking, Dubya has put up some public perception numbers that are not only world records but are unlikely to be bested (or should I say worsted) in our lifetimes. History will remember Carter as ten times the leader that Dubya has been. History will show Carter as being in a tough situation. Dubya will be remembered as CREATING a tough situation.
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Carter is just jealous because somebody else might be president during Carter's second term.
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Poppycock. Factually speaking, Dubya has put up some public perception numbers that are not only world records but are unlikely to be bested (or should I say worsted) in our lifetimes. History will remember Carter as ten times the leader that Dubya has been. History will show Carter as being in a tough situation. Dubya will be remembered as CREATING a tough situation.
History will show Yimma to be one of the worst presidents and THE WORST X President in US history.
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Didn't Carter lose all credibility when he began to open his mouth and criticise the other presidents breaking the rule that you kept your mouth shut after you left office. I was growing up and learning my politics in those years and do not recall much good happening.
If I recall right, we weren't even too proud of being American's since we were just getting out of Vietnam and we were still being inundated with crap from the first energy crisis.
Much like Michelle Obama says, American pride seems to hurt under democrats and there is little to be proud of. My words, but it seems to paraphrase her thoughts.
But, on the other hand the world loves us when a Dem is in office because we do so much for the rest of them. Habitat for Humanity, and Obama's plan to spend thousands of dollars per American citizen to save the poor of the world. Makes me wanna go stock up on ammo and set up fire lanes around the house.

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