Where do you stand on the second amendment?

[Noah Holcomb]

Where do you stand on the second amendment?

I think there should be no gun control at all, that means....

No regulations of a guns technical aspects.
No regulations on any aspect of ammunition.
No registration in any way shape or form.
No taxes on the purchase of firearms, ammunition, reloading supplies, etc...

[legion]

I am fine with laws that define minimum safety requirements for firearms (like they don't go off when you drop them) and ammunition.

I am fine with laws the prohibit felons and the mentally ill from possessing firearms.

I am fine with taxing the sale of firearms, ammunition, etc... (Keep the government interested it allowing them to be sold.)

Pretty much everything else I oppose.

I see the Second Amendment as the ultimate check by the populace on an overbearing and ever-expanding government.

[Noah Holcomb]

Originally Posted by legion

I am fine with taxing the sale of firearms, ammunition, etc... (Keep the government interested it allowing them to be sold.)

I oppose taxes because it can be used as a way to basically control ownership of guns based on unreasonably high taxes. In 1934 with the NFA act you had to pay $200 for a tax stamp to legally own any weapon classified under the NFA laws. That $200 would be roughly $3200 in today's dollars

[legion]

Maybe I should clarify.

I'm fine with charging "normal" sales taxes on firearms and related goods.

I oppose firearem-specific taxes.

[Noah Holcomb]

Originally Posted by legion

Maybe I should clarify.

I'm fine with charging "normal" sales taxes on firearms and related goods.

I oppose firearem-specific taxes.

Agreed, I don't like taxes but normal sales tax rates I can live with.

[vash]

i think they should outlaw that sideways gangsta handgun shooting style. and bring back that damn minuteman hat!

[billyboy]

I am fine with laws that define minimum safety requirements for firearms (like they don't go off when you drop them) and ammunition.

I am fine with laws the prohibit felons and the mentally ill from possessing firearms.

I am fine with taxing the sale of firearms, ammunition, etc... (Keep the government interested it allowing them to be sold.)

Pretty much everything else I oppose.

I see the Second Amendment as the ultimate check by the populace on an overbearing and ever-expanding government +1

[id10t]

Originally Posted by Noah Holcomb

Agreed, I don't like taxes but normal sales tax rates I can live with.

How do you feel about the Pittman-Robertson act/fund? It is what has bought public use land, paid for public ranges to be built, bought wildlife management areas, etc.

And it is a 11% excise tax on firearms, ammo, and some camping/outdoor supplies.

[billyboy]

[Porsche-O-Phile]

I think the second amendment wording is (1) pretty clear and (2) pretty much where my stance is.

Citizens without a history of criminal behavior or mental illness should be able to pretty much buy (and carry) whatever the hell they want. Just my $0.02.

You'd see a lot less crime if people out there were armed and didn't have their hands tied by a bunch of self-serving doofuses like politicians, bureaucrats, endless stupid legislation and a significant percentage of law enforcement. L.E. doesn't like the 2nd amendment because it undercuts their job security.

[billyboy]

L.E. doesn't like the 2nd amendment because it undercuts their job security

. All the LE that I know, and I am very closely related to one, fully support the 2nd Amend. Of course they are all street level . Usually as they rise in rank and their noses get browner, they sometimes veer off, like the FBI head ass----.They are the first to admit that there is no way that they can begin to control crime and that an armed citizenry is the best defense against absolute chaos.

[Dennis Kalma]

I am OK with the restriction that people with a history of mental illness should not be allowed to own firearms, given that willing membership in the NRA be considered a form of insanity....

....just joking, but couldn't resist....

Dennis

[Rick Lee]

I have never come across a cop who was anti-gun or at least not one who exhibited such sentiment when dealing with me, and I'm almost always armed. The fact that I didn't get arrested last weekend at the Phoenix gun buy-back proves at least the cops around here are very cool about guns.

[sketchers356]

Frankly, as long as you are fit, I see no problem with allowing people to buy tanks.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Maybe not the average run-of-the-mill cop, but certainly the upper echelon brass and guys like this FBI Director.

You are correct, most of the "average, everyday" cops I've met are pretty down-to-earth. Some aren't, most are.

[Rick Lee]

Mueller was never a cop. He was a prosecutor and then a political appointee. FWIW, I saw him speak at the Nat. Press Club a few years ago and almost fell asleep.

[jyl]

If I were King -
- Gun owners would be required to pass background check (screen out felons, pending criminal proceeding, mental illness, not here legally, etc), over 21 y/o, take basic gun safety course (no "passing" required, just take it). Subject to these requirements, all persons should be free to purchase and possess guns. No state/local restrictions permitted. Private property owners free to restrict (e.g. landlord can prohibit guns in his rental property), but violation is a civil matter, not criminal.
- Gun and ammunition sales permitted in any area zoned "commercial". Gun manufacturing permitted in any area zoned "industrial". No local ordinances can selectively ban these businesses.
- Gun manufacturers, distributors, resellers not legally liable for shooting injuries/deaths unless gun was defective or sold without required checks.
- CCW license would require an advanced gun safety/use of lethal force course, demonstration of minimum proficiency (marksmanship), with refreshers every two years. Cost to the licensee capped. Subject to these requirements, all persons should be issued CCW permits upon request. No state/local restrictions permitted. List of public property where carry is prohibited would be very short. Private property owners free to post "no guns", but violation is a civil matter, not criminal, no impact on CCW license.
- Open carry prohibited, except in wilderness areas and shooting ranges/similar. Don't see the point of it, frankly. If you want to express yourself, wear a T-shirt.
- Automatic criminal and civil liability if a child, who lives in or was invited into the gun owner's home, is injured by a discharge of the gun. I.e. don't mandate gun safes/locks/storage, gun owner has to weigh the risks and make the right choice for his circumstances.
- No restriction on quantity or type of non-full-auto gun. Ownership of full-autos, grenade launchers, flamethrowers, etc - practically any small arm - is permitted, but under stringent rules.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by jyl

If I were King -
- Gun owners would be required to pass background check (screen out felons, pending criminal proceeding, mental illness, not here legally, etc), over 21 y/o, take basic gun safety course (no "passing" required, just take it). Subject to these requirements, all persons should be free to purchase and possess guns. No state/local restrictions permitted. Private property owners free to restrict (e.g. landlord can prohibit guns in his rental property), but violation is a civil matter, not criminal.
- Gun and ammunition sales permitted in any area zoned "commercial". Gun manufacturing permitted in any area zoned "industrial". No local ordinances can selectively ban these businesses.
- Gun manufacturers, distributors, resellers not legally liable for shooting injuries/deaths unless gun was defective or sold without required checks.
- CCW license would require an advanced gun safety/use of lethal force course, demonstration of minimum proficiency (marksmanship), with refreshers every two years. Cost to the licensee capped. Subject to these requirements, all persons should be issued CCW permits upon request. No state/local restrictions permitted. List of public property where carry is prohibited would be very short. Private property owners free to post "no guns", but violation is a civil matter, not criminal, no impact on CCW license.
- Open carry prohibited, except in wilderness areas and shooting ranges/similar. Don't see the point of it, frankly. If you want to express yourself, wear a T-shirt.
- Automatic criminal and civil liability if a child, who lives in or was invited into the gun owner's home, is injured by a discharge of the gun. I.e. don't mandate gun safes/locks/storage, gun owner has to weigh the risks and make the right choice for his circumstances.
- No restriction on quantity or type of non-full-auto gun. Ownership of full-autos, grenade launchers, flamethrowers, etc - practically any small arm - is permitted, but under stringent rules.

I agree completely, with the small addition of an "use specific" tax to finance public hunting grounds, public shooting ranges and clubs be allowed. No monies collected could be diverted to other uses.

[Seric]

+1 to legion

[911boost]

Here is my stance: