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For those of you that don't agree...well if you've taken the oath and have worn the uniform then you have earned the right to make such a judgement.

If you have not taken the oath and worn the uniform then you have no idea what you are talking about. Yes the uniformed men and women of this nation have preserved your right to express yourself as you wish but you haven't the wherewithal to make such a judgement accurately or with any validity.

Again you may say the words but they have no meaning. Neither will they gain you the respect of those that have served.

i don't care which side you're on....if this is a real ad, it's tacky as hell.

It's not an ad. It's a shortened version of the event in a youTube vid. A reply to the pathetic dem's distortions of the story.

How anyone could put Nixon on a "worst president" list is hard to imagine. It would be a little like putting Clinton on that list. Makes no sense at all to me.

Carter was the most ineffectual.

GWB = WORST EVER.

Started off by appointing over 130 known and convicted criminals to public office, all of whom had previously broken the law in public service. Deregulated air and water pollution standards, and made a shambles of the EPA and FEMA, the Dept. of the Interior, etc.

Made a short list of 5 Countries to invade within the first month in office. N Korea was not on that list. Afghanistan and Iraq were. Ignored critical and urgent warnings of terrorist activities in the US, leading to the destruction of the WTC. Personally stated that Iran was involved in 9/11 in over 12 nationally reported speaches. Insisted that Iraq had WMDs after it was proven that they did not, and in spite of the protests of Nato, and several world powers.

Allowed members of his staff to instruct the CIA to use outdated reports on WMDs and create a separate branch of the CIA, responsible only to the White House. Completely ignored improprieties in banking and stock fraud. Attempted to reorganize Medicare, Medicade to benefit the Pharmacutical industry, and largely succeeded. Turned Billions and Billions of government contracts over to the company that made Dick Cheney a multimillionaire. Secured the Iraqi oil fields before securing Iraq, thus allowing 500,000 Iraqi citizens to die in collateral interactions. Over 2 million Iraqis were forced to leave their homes and businesses, mostly becoming refugees after Mission Accomplished.

Actual wages of many middle class workers in the USA have not increased in the past six years, while inflation has skyrocketed, despite many US businesses showing record profits, and the top 1% of income earners becoming signifigantly more wealthy.

This President has rewritten reports and conclusions from every sector of government, and taken the powers of his office beyond constitutional limits, while reducing the constitutional rights of the average citizen.

GWB has been depicted all over the free world as the new Hitler. I believe the only person to be depicted as Hitler more frequently was Hitler himself. Needless to say world wide opinion of the US has never been lower in the post WW2 years. But that is not what makes him the worst.

What makes him the worst is that he has set the standards of moral and intellectual descrimination so low, that now moral, fiscal and intellectual accountability in this country have reached a new Lowest Common Denominator. Backing this up with one of the worst educational systems in the free world, he has taken the US out of the # 1 slot as the world's leading Nation in just 7 short years. We are not even close to leading the world in health, education, longevity, standard of living or GNP. Nor are we as a nation even interested in how any of this pertains to us a a group. We are an incredibly split and polarized nation, where most ask not what they can do for their country or the world in which it exists, although most think that they do. We have reached a point where the world no longer needs us as a leader, but we still need to lead the world. Apparently though, all we have to offer them in terms of leadership is the gasping US military and the Strategic Defense Initiative, McDonalds and Coca Cola.

That and ownership of our Government through bank loans. That's George W Bush.

Plot synopsis. Homer Simpson becomes President, and creates a problem that even he can't solve, thinking that he is saving the world. For his friends.

The Worst.

Nixon gets ~0~ credit for ending the Draft and ending our involvement in Viet Nam. Not sure I agreed with his sudden retreat in Nam however it's funny to hear the Democrats spew hatred for Nixon although he ended the war their hero JFK got us into.

Viet Nam, Bay of Pigs and the MM scandal combined with his numerous other bone head moves makes JFK the worse imho.

Worst ever? In my lifetime? Jimmy Carter. Best ever? Ike...

worst = Bush

How does (not 4 years as Sniper says) but 6 1/2 years in a Hanoi prison camp make McCain qualified to run the country?

I'm not saying he's not patriotic, but the bulk of his experience is not being locked up in a hole, but serving on the US Senate. Don't get me wrong, it is service to this country in both cases. But to call it "work" service is just plain dumb, man.

McCain does not know how our economy works, he has said so himself. His Senate record shows a disdain for authority, a fondness for tweaking people off, an irrational temper, erratic judgment, and a penchant for making off-color remarks that backfire on him.

I'll probably vote for him because I hate Obama even more. Either than or I just might say screw it an not vote for President at all. I'm a card carrying Republican ( I actually have a RNC card), but I have to tell you guys, McCain has no "work" experience. None of any value for the Office of the President. Neither does Obama, which is my original point.

We have two bad choices. Those of you who put McCain up on a pedestal because he wore a uniform..... I will say McCain is probably a great guy to have a beer with, probably the same kind of guy you would like to have autograph your kid's souvenier cap, but work experience? What has he actually run by himself?

Do you want to know what "work" experience would be, that would be suitable for President? Look at Romney, who turned around Bain & Co, ran the U.S. Olympics, and Gov. of Massachusets. In all cases, he took a failing enterprise and made it into a success. This country is in real trouble. It is a failing enterprise, and needs someone to make good decisions about the budget, and show good sound leadership on the economy.

Romney as VP would actually make McCain far more acceptable. I never really knew what kind of crazed, half baked thinking led someone to vote for McCain.

Like I said, we have not yet had the "worst" president yet. The worst is yet to come.

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Great summary, Daniel Dudley.

Very sad.

Yah know, posting statements like that really, really undermines your credibility. You know that don't you? With today's ability to fact check statements like that on line in a flash, you should be more careful what you post. It makes you look ill-informed, that you spin up bull at the drop of a hat, and causes people to ignore you as irrelevant. You do know this don't you?SmileWavy

who's jet was it that wet-started then?

I started reading some of the dozens of websites dedicated to the Forrestal fire, and you know, hardly any of them agree on what happened before, during, and after the fire. There is even disagreement on how quickly McCain was transferred to the Oriskany.

Anyway, my point is that none of this adds up to work experience that is pertinent to being qualified to run the country. I think this is the point that deserves debate.

I also came across this picture, which I found humorous.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1217305284.jpg

Quite to the contrary Rusnak (or is it dipso?), what happened on the Forrestal is exhaustively documented.

You sir are a highly dishonest person, and are now the newest member of my ever expanding ignore list.

Gotta say, that is humorous.

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a funny video of the worst president in the history of the U.S.A.
congratulations Bush, you finally got my vote!:D

Well...now I can BE somebody!

So that's it? What Left blog was that from

How transparent does the agenda need to be, for you Lib's?

Geez you have to be stupid to buy that. <--- seriously, stupid. No hyperbole, stupid.


take a look:

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Seriously? .."but this one makes sense." --oh hey, don't hold back with claims of knowledge.:rolleyes:



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A "hunch" eh? Wow, this guy is a suppository of knowledge.




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Ah, YEAH !!! ... the old, tried and true " Zionist:mad:" tag. Plus a bonus "The Americans will need... " --ooh, International credibility builds....

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Oh WOW! THANKS!

...DO you have some chain-letter emails for me too? Maybe a big fortune that you need an honest person to hold for a prince? :rolleyes:


Seriously, STUPID.

You know guys, I'm sorry for even mentionion the Forrestal at all because some of you can't seem to get past it.

It is a peripheral issue, not THE issue.

The larger issue is whether Obama or McCain has the experience to be President that we need now in 2008. I have been straining to get back on topic to the main point, which is whether McCain has what it takes. If I go back and delte my posts, I'll bet it won't matter because no one wants to talk about what matters.

Does it matter to anyone that this is a crucial election, and we have two practical neophytes as the two choices, one of which will be at the controls? I'm not interested at all in partisanship. Does anyone know what to do about Iran? Oh, we'll nuke em right? Typical internet blather. What about our deficit, and our cost of capital? Does it matter that foreign oil has us by the nuts? Or that our national wealth and our jobs are pouring out to China?

How many of you want to move to China to find work? Are we going to do something about it, or do we waste our time talking about social program this, entitlement and minimum wage that? Reform, tax, blah blah....someone needs to wake up and look at the big issues. I see nothing in either McCain or Obama's background to suggest that either one has the chops to do anything meaningful about it, and I think instead either one will end up seriously misguiding our future.