Do we need change? - Page 2

tabs · 07-30-2008, 09:35 PM

Dear Nostatus...Obama's bitter and clinging statement did it for me....it is an elietists stance..one of being more enlightened than the people of PA. Well if we can only enlighten them a little we can make them see reason. and they will give up their guns and religion.

Also on June 27 Hitllary introduced her big campaign donors to Obama. One of them was Jamie Dimon of Morgan Stanley. His reponse on the Charlie Rose interivew on July 1st was "The Democrats are CRAZY and if they get their way will ruin the country." with their change....

As of late Obama has met with Warren Buffet, John Corzine (govenator NJ and Goldman Sachs CEO), and Paul Volcker...Obama's campaigns comment was he listened and was assessing..in other words it went in one ear and out the other....

The problem with Obama is that his world view is that of South Chicago and helping out the poor people at the expense of the Middle Class.. your DIME Nostatus.....the rich and corps will go off shore...end of story...

The Liberals want to kill the goose that lays the Golden Egg. not realizing that without the goose there will be no golden eggs to pay for their programs. Tak e alook around at the business environment in CA...and that of pre Thatcher GB....those are the models to be looking at wirht the coming of an Obama admin. Even if he wants to moderate, a Dem Congress will run through everything it can and Obama will NOT BE ABLE TO STOP THEM...rememeber Grey Davis..

tabs · 07-30-2008, 09:45 PM

Better to Snooze than lose...and what you will lose is the entrepreneurial spirit in America. Why make that extra 10K if it is going to be taxed away? Why not just sit at home and coast...

If one can not get ahead by trying harder sooner or later everyone will stop trying...that is what happens in Socialist countries...

Once that happens the phenon that America represents will be DEAD!

The ball will have to be picked up by some othe nation?

tabs · 07-30-2008, 09:49 PM

Wayne here is going to be hit hard with Obama...

DD74 doesn't realize it but his name is on the list to.

Rich Liberal Dems think well their are alot of Rich Dems and they won't let anything that hurts them get passed...yeah right....that is exactly what the German Industrialists thought about Hitler, they thought they could control him.

tabs · 07-30-2008, 09:53 PM

Some of UUUUUU Liberal fko's better take a long look at history and compare and contrast what Obama types really accomplish.

island911 · 07-30-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tabs

... they thought they could control him.

Spot On!

This is exactly what I see with the relationship between Dem's and Obama. They see a man who can deliver their message. They see a man who is reasonable ... who can be controlled by well meaning liberals. What could possibly go wrong? ...all we need is 'hope.'

With Obama, my BS meter has never been so pegged. Sure, McCain has his share of scare-factor, but Obama . . .he is an absolute train-wreck waiting to happen.

Early on I was raising an eyebrow over his US hating racist preacher/mentor, his terrorist ties, and his disdain for the flag, but was absolutely Stunned by his debate responce of raising capitol gains based on "fairness." --such an uneducated (but arrogant) man has NO BUSINESS as POTUS.

As was said earlier, The pathetic Dem congress will not keep the Obamantion in balance. --Obama will be an absolute train-wreck.

KaptKaos · 07-30-2008, 10:25 PM

You guys are wasting your breath.

I have a friend that is a rabid anti-bush guy. Doesn't care what happens as long as a Dem wins. He and his wife have a nice life, make $350k+, nice house, cars, etc... If Obama wins, they are going to be totally fuched, but he doesn't care because he will feel better with a dem in the Whitehouse. That's how deeply his feelings run. When I push him on the issue, he just says that we need change, but doesn't really say what that means.

When you tell people that there has been more spending on social services under Bush than under any other President, they don't care. They perceive that Bush is evil and they just can't get around that feeling. Warrantless wiretaps, blood for oil, Cheney and Haliburton, Bush lied - people died, Gitmo, water boarding, whatever.... All of these things, whether real or just perceived offend them so badly that there is no reasoning.

Obama is a lightweight - to use a phrase from bush v. gore - no gravitas. He's wet behind the ears (and those are some big ears). He has no experience doing anything on an executive level, but he's handsome, a good orator, black, not a republican and most importantly not bush. It doesn't matter that he has no accomplishments, he's different and liberal and that's all that my friend really cares about.

island911 · 07-30-2008, 10:36 PM

Joe, of course you are right. IMO, So many Lib's have had it so easy, for so long, that they believe this country has plenty of elasticity for a wet behind the ears socialists experiments.

Funny, the same Lib's seem to believe CO2 will stop the earth from spinning, and/or that the country can't survive with GW in the whitehouse.

dd74 · 07-30-2008, 11:10 PM

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DD74 doesn't realize it but his name is on the list to.

And after the fine dining I directed you to in Malibu...

dd74 · 07-30-2008, 11:12 PM

As for "Do we need change?" Evidentially yes. That's why there is an Obama scenario in your future, like it or not. Particularly if McCain wins.

tabs · 07-31-2008, 12:18 AM

Obama is too light of a weight to be able to stop the seriousily minded Liberal Demorats in congress. Especially if they have a large majority...Let Nancy etal loose and see what ya all get.

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

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Originally Posted by tabs

Obama is too light of a weight to be able to stop the seriousily minded Liberal Demorats in congress. Especially if they have a large majority...Let Nancy etal loose and see what ya all get.

That is the way I've seen it for months. If Hillary had the nomination, and then won, the would push her agenda. Obama will get rolled by Nancy and Harry.

Tobra · Tobra's Garage

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Originally Posted by tabs

Obama is too light of a weight to be able to stop the seriousily minded Liberal Demorats in congress. Especially if they have a large majority...Let Nancy etal loose and see what ya all get.

look what the libs have done to California

Guess it is true that you can't learn from someone else's mistakes

Mule · 07-31-2008, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dottore

You're kidding right? Tell me you're kidding.

Here's your chance to expound on the greatness of your communist heroes.

Mule · 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dottore

Sorry, but I'm not sharp enough to "get this".

You may have to help me.

Admitting you have a problem is the first step on the road to recovery. Your best post yet!

dipso · 07-31-2008, 05:51 AM

There is no date on the letter.
It is an old chain letter, he was talking about Reagan.

The Gaijin · 07-31-2008, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KaptKaos

Obama is a lightweight - to use a phrase from bush v. gore - no gravitas. He's wet behind the ears (and those are some big ears). He has no experience doing anything on an executive level, but he's handsome, a good orator, black, not a republican and most importantly not bush. It doesn't matter that he has no accomplishments, he's different and liberal and that's all that my friend really cares about.

Joe Man - you are so right. This is the same exact situation here in New York City. The Bush hatred is so extreme - they have blinders on.

Obama will do a lot of damage in his first and only term.

Shaun @ Tru6 · 07-31-2008, 06:15 AM

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Joe Man - you are so right. This is the same exact situation here in New York City. The Bush hatred is so extreme - they have blinders on.

Obama will do a lot of damage in his first and only term.

there are 2 kinds of voters in this country. ones who look at the last 8 years and like what they see. they are for:

corporate socialism at the expense of the middle class

weaker allied relationships around the world

over-stretched military

borrowing beyond our means to keep our economy afloat, our children and their children will pay it back, no worries

the weakest economy seen since the Great Depression

continued dependence on non-renewable energy sources

etc.

and those that want more for America.

The Gaijin · 06:40 AM

And what they they will get is:

more government mandated wealth transfer at the expense of the middle class..

the realization that many allies around the world are unable or unwilling to help out with anything. (Umm - how many German troops helping out in Afghanistan??)

a military seconded guessed and controlled by those that like it and respect it the least.

more borrowing to pay public sector employees not to mention increased un-funded long term liabilities.

an economy that will falter under more taxes.

more money being wasted on stupid wind farms, ethanol and the like and nothing getting done with real technologies like nuclear.

etc.

And those that have a clue..

tobster1911 · 07-31-2008, 06:53 AM

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there are 2 kinds of voters in this country.
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and those that want more for America.

What a well supported other side. Bravo.

I'd like a side of Hope and Change with that....

Shaun @ Tru6 · 07-31-2008, 07:14 AM

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And what they they will get is:

more government mandated wealth transfer at the expense of the middle class..

Yer gonna have to explain this one against Obama's plans, I have no idea what you mean. BTW, do you know where tax breaks for the wealthy go? Overseas investment more and more. The wealthy aren't banking on the U.S. to make them money anymore, so their tax breaks won't be growing our economy.

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the realization that many allies around the world are unable or unwilling to help out with anything. (Umm - how many German troops helping out in Afghanistan??)

Obama asked for more troops, Angela will give them to him. and probably a bj as well.

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a military seconded guessed and controlled by those that like it and respect it the least.

Why are you talking about the Bush Admin here, or don't you know your history. First 3 years of Iraq...Military completely overridden by the Admin with disastrous results. Afghanistan going well? And McCain will override the Military as well.

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more borrowing to pay public sector employees not to mention increased un-funded long term liabilities.

examples? Democrats don't borrow for programs. they tax. Republicans live beyond their means and borrow from the Communist Chinese making our children pay them back.

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an economy that will falter under more taxes.

if our economy were faltering any more, we'd be in a depression. you may want to take a look at Obama's actual tax plans at his website. he will tax the wealthy (see above) and the middle class will get breaks. he will also tax the hell out of speculators, that's probably the best thing he could probably do. people who make money off of raising prices on the Middle Class should be shot.

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more money being wasted on stupid wind farms, ethanol and the like and nothing getting done with real technologies like nuclear.

You callin' that T. Boones guy stupid? and it's not yer money, it's? his that will pay for the farms. I guess if Republicans could set-up a speculation scheme on pricing the wind, you'd be aaaaaaalllllllllll for wind farms though, wouldn't ya. Obama is for nuclear.