a higher purpose? - Page 5

Jim Richards · 08-05-2008, 08:09 AM

IROC · IROC's Garage

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Originally Posted by trekkor

May I also add, regarding knowledge of the universe, life, meaning of life, purpose for the earth and mankind, you have taken a position that I must be wrong.

Au contraire - my position is that you are convinced you are right in the absence of any evidence to support your views. Subtle, but important difference. Additionally, you refuse to alter your views even when faced with incontrovertable evidence that your views are incorrect (hence your connection to the "Flat Earthers").

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However, I do not see you presenting any alternatives except 'We don't know', 'We can't know', 'We're insignificant in the universe', etc...

You must have me confused with someone else. Where have I posted "we can't know", etc.? That is not my position.

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Belief in Almighty Jehovah does not equal delusion.

We agree to disagree yet again...

m21sniper · 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Is he insignificant too?

Steven Hawking is utterly insignificant on a galactic scale, just as are the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu

You seem to have zero faith in Humans, but lots of faith in him. Why?

Faith? The man's a seriously smart mother-Edited - language removed, Z-man.

It's as simple as that.

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Didn't he basically get a good PR campaign going himself, and that's the only reason that you even know his name, much less anything else about him?

It could be that i know of him and his scientific opinions on these matters because i read his books compadre.

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Seems that he's as much of a false prophet as anyone else, and probably not deserving of your unusual adoration.

Hating on a cripple is no way to score points with me dude.

m21sniper · 08-05-2008, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by trekkor

May I also add, regarding knowledge of the universe, life, meaning of life, purpose for the earth and mankind, you have taken a position that I must be wrong.

However, I do not see you presenting any alternatives except 'We don't know', 'We can't know', 'We're insignificant in the universe', etc...

Or.. Sun goes out, blows up, universe collaspes...

Yes, you don't believe a creator exists. I get that.
Belief in Almighty Jehovah does not equal delusion.

KT

Are you really this looney in real life, or just here?

sjf911 · sjf911's Garage

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Originally Posted by m21sniper

Are you really this looney in real life, or just here?

LOL, starting to see the light, eh?

lendaddy · 08-05-2008, 11:13 AM

My grandfather is a thumper of the highest order and we ribbingly (that can't be a word) go back and forth on this stuff all the time. It's entertaining once you realize that your logic has no effect on them

I say that not to mock, it's just an observation of the power of faith. It's interesting to face-to-face debate a believer, it's amazing really.

trekkor · 08-05-2008, 11:32 AM

There is no debate happening here.
( Where is your position? ) ( you have none! )

How long has man been able to see beyond the solar system?
Now the universe is collapsing? Guys...

Call me whatever you like. It has no effect on me.
( I won't even return fire... )

KT

trekkor · 08-05-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper

Are you really this looney in real life, or just here?

You are you and I am I...

WYSIWYG ( What you see is what you get.)

I'm a straight shooter.

KT

Pazuzu · 08-05-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by trekkor

There is no debate happening here.

How can anyone debate whether they believe there is a higher purpose? Only a single person can debate THEMSELVES on that subject.

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How long has man been able to see beyond the solar system?

Um...since the first man opened his eyes? I guess that question must be deeper, because that was a pretty easy answer.

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Now the universe is collapsing? Guys...

No, expanding...close, but not quite.

lendaddy · 08-05-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by trekkor

There is no debate happening here.
( Where is your position? ) ( you have none! )

How long has man been able to see beyond the solar system?
Now the universe is collapsing? Guys...

Call me whatever you like. It has no effect on me.
( I won't even return fire... )

KT

I assume you're replying to me? First, I didn't call you anything unless you're offended by "believer." Second, my position is nothing other than scientific understanding. I was simply stating my amazement at the attitude of those that believe. You can't honestly tell me you don't see why non-believers wouldn't be shocked by it are you?

I wasn't trying to offend. I'm the Daddy damn it, when I try to offend you you'll know it

trekkor · 08-05-2008, 01:44 PM

Snipe referred to me as 'looney'.

KT

trekkor · 08-05-2008, 01:46 PM

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How long has man been able to see beyond the solar system?

Um...since the first man opened his eyes? I guess that question must be deeper, because that was a pretty easy answer.

I guess I should have been more clear.

How long has man been able to see with a measure of understandng beyond our solar system? ( modern telescopes )

KT

trekkor · 08-05-2008, 01:48 PM

IROC calls me delusional and the gallery cheers...

Silly boys

KT

dewolf · 08-05-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by trekkor

How long has man been able to see with a measure of understandng beyond our solar system? ( modern telescopes )

KT

Ancient Chinese had a very good understanding of the cosmos. Have a read of some their works.

dewolf · 08-05-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Is he insignificant too? You seem to have zero faith in Humans, but lots of faith in him.

I don't think anyone is saying they have faith in him, but a deep respect for his knowledge and understanding.

sjf911 · sjf911's Garage

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Originally Posted by dewolf

I don't think anyone is saying they have faith in him, but a deep respect for his knowledge and understanding.

As Steven Weinberg would say of champions of science; Hero's, not prophets.

IROC · IROC's Garage

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Originally Posted by trekkor

IROC calls me delusional and the gallery cheers...

No silliness. By definition, you are delusional. You simply share a delusion with millions of other people so you perceive it as acceptable. An unbiased person sees you as completely delusional, nonetheless.

We're here to help if you'd like.

trekkor · 08-05-2008, 05:20 PM

So, Mike? According to you.

The Majority of people that have ever lived, were in fact, actually delusional?

Sit down!

KT

m21sniper · 08-05-2008, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by trekkor

Snipe referred to me as 'looney'.

Now now, i merely asked if you were looney in real life too.

IROC · IROC's Garage

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Originally Posted by trekkor

The Majority of people that have ever lived, were in fact, actually delusional?

By definition, yes. They might have meant well and only went along with what was the popular belief at the time (like many people do now), but they were by defintion delusional. If you look back at the "majority of people who have ever lived" and examine the gods and deities they worshipped, exactly how much evidence is there to support the existence of those deities? Are you going to argue that there was evidence for Zeus or Apollo's existence? Or that there actually was a Sun god? Or that volcanos were deities that demanded sacrifice? You have evidence that all of the various Hindu gods really exist? You're going to argue that there actually was evidence to support these people's beliefs?

One defintion of delusional is "a false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence". Did throwing virgins into volcanos really make crops grow better? Or was that a delusional belief? I vote for delusional, but you're welcome to present evidence to the contrary.

I'll sit down now.