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sjf911 · sjf911's Garage

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Originally Posted by IROC

By definition, yes. They might have meant well and only went along with what was the popular belief at the time (like many people do now), but they were by defintion delusional. If you look back at the "majority of people who have ever lived" and examine the gods and deities they worshipped, exactly how much evidence is there to support the existence of those deities? Are you going to argue that there was evidence for Zeus or Apollo's existence? Or that there actually was a Sun god? Or that volcanos were deities that demanded sacrifice? You have evidence that all of the various Hindu gods really exist? You're going to argue that there actually was evidence to support these people's beliefs?

One defintion of delusional is "a false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence". Did throwing virgins into volcanos really make crops grow better? Or was that a delusional belief? I vote for delusional, but you're welcome to present evidence to the contrary.

I'll sit down now.

Actually, they were mostly just conned and manipulated by the ruling elite since the scientific method and a good scientific counter-argument was not available to refute the magical thinking until relatively recently.

trekkor · 08-06-2008, 07:59 AM

So fellas, show me a past/present/future world leader ( and the list will be short ) that wasn't/isn't delusional.

Happy voting!!

Lovely.

KT

m21sniper · 08-06-2008, 08:01 AM

Well thanks for screwing this thread up with your stupid religious hokus-pokusness Trekkor.

trekkor · 08-06-2008, 08:04 AM

And just so I'm perfectly clear...

The scientists, many who spend there life/time/energy/resources developing military devices are the ones who have it all figured out?

Everybody!! Hey you over there!! Get in line!

"The sarcasm is strong in this post"...

KT

JavaBrewer · JavaBrewer's Garage

KT, do you have kids? If so are you raising them JW? That would support IROC's statement that folks tend to go along with the popular/family belief. Again, if you have kids, what would be the consequences if they, as adults, came to the conclusion that JW is not the truth (for them), and they choose another path?

JavaBrewer · JavaBrewer's Garage

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Originally Posted by trekkor

And just so I'm perfectly clear...

The scientists, many who spend there life/time/energy/resources developing military devices are the ones who have it all figured out?
KT

There is only one person on this thread who claims to have it all figured out KT.

trekkor · 08-06-2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper

Well thanks for screwing this thread up with your stupid religious hokus-pokusness Trekkor.

Let's see, I said the name of the only true God once and never even mentioned the Bible until now.

Embrace reality!

I did use sarcsm and a lot of smilies, but that wasn't your gripe!

How did I wreck the 'precious thread' anyhow?
If you were king, how would you have liked it to end?

KT

trekkor · 08-06-2008, 08:14 AM

I have no kids and I have NEVER made the claim to have it all figured out.

KT

m21sniper · 08-06-2008, 08:15 AM

You have a whole page worth of loopy religious ramblings in this thread, and you want to know how you screwed it up?

IROC · IROC's Garage

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Originally Posted by trekkor

How did I wreck the 'precious thread' anyhow?

With your close-minded "my way is the only way" mentality.

trekkor · 08-06-2008, 08:21 AM

I'm one person. I mean no harm.

KT

trekkor · 08-06-2008, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by IROC

With your close-minded "my way is the only way" mentality.

Do you believe in 'truth', Mike?

KT

JavaBrewer · JavaBrewer's Garage

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Originally Posted by trekkor

I have no kids and I have NEVER made the claim to have it all figured out.
KT

Ok so no kids. Can you at least project the answers? Never made the claim...so does the bible hold all the answers to the worlds problems or not. Did you not state that you know the truth and the one true God?

trekkor · 08-06-2008, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper

You have a whole page worth of loopy religious ramblings in this thread, and you want to know how you screwed it up?

Be more specific, Snipe.
What are you upset about?

KT

trekkor · 08-06-2008, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dmoolenaar

Ok so no kids. Can you at least project the answers? Never made the claim...so does the bible hold all the answers to the worlds problems or not. Did you not state that you know the truth and the one true God?

Yes, yes and yes!

KT

JavaBrewer · JavaBrewer's Garage

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Originally Posted by trekkor

Yes, yes and yes!
KT

You didn't answer the question...

All I can take from your response is "Yes - I have it all figured out".

IROC · IROC's Garage

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Originally Posted by trekkor

Do you believe in 'truth', Mike?

KT

To be perfectly honest, I think the word "truth" is thrown around much too casually by people who assume that they alone have insight into what they believe "truth" to be (mostly religious people). I, personally, see the world as a multitude of shades of gray where "truth" is an elusive quantity in constant flux brought about by the changes in a person's knowledge and experience.

I do not hold the same beliefs now that I did ten years ago and I fully expect my beliefs to change in the next ten years. I have opinions on "higher purpose" and "the meaning of life" just as anyone else does. My main difference and why I haven't really discussed them in this thread as they are merely my opinions and my opinions are no more valuable than anyone else's.

Do you think you know what "truth" is?

trekkor · 08-06-2008, 08:46 AM

On a number of issues there is absolute known truth.

I believe every question has an answer. A 'right', 'correct' or 'true' answer is obtainable.

Do I have them all? Not by a long shot.
Do I have some. Yes.

Thanks for the thougtful post, Mike. I appreciate that very much.

KT

sjf911 · sjf911's Garage

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Originally Posted by trekkor

Yes, yes and yes!

KT

LOL, frequently wrong but never in doubt. But, that is the definition of delusion.

"Those afraid of the universe as it really is, those who pretend to nonexistent knowledge and envision a Cosmos centered on human beings will prefer the fleeting comforts of superstition. They avoid rather than confront the world. But those with the courage to explore the weave and structure of the Cosmos, even where it differs profoundly from their wishes and prejudices, will penetrate its deepest mysteries."
CARL SAGAN, Cosmos

trekkor · 08-06-2008, 08:54 AM

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Can you at least project the answers?

Yes.

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Never made the claim...so does the bible hold all the answers to the worlds problems or not.

Yes.

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Did you not state that you know the truth and the one true God?

Yes.

David, I'll make every effort to answer your questions.
If you are asking me if I know everything, the answer is a solid no.
If you are asking me if I have a basic grasp on 'life's questions', then yes.

KT