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What color are Higgs bosons supposed to be? Do they spin, and if so, in which direction?
Zero spin, no color (the Higg's boson is an elementary particle, like the quarks...it's not made up of quarks).

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Zero spin, no color (the Higg's boson is an elementary particle, like the quarks...it's not made up of quarks).
It can't have a color if it's dark matter, right?

In the art world, black is sometimes regarded as "colorless," or "missing color."
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[QUOTE=trekkor;4171745]I find our conversation here frustrating at times./QUOTE]

Whassamatta you, Trek?! Are you stubborn again or what?

Seriously, the links various posters have put up here will take you to a lot of good info. If you take the time to read and understand it you'll probably find most if not all of the questions you've posted here answered or irrelevant to the topic being discussed.

You will not, however, find any ifo that is intended to buttress or refute whatever spiritual beliefs and convictions you may have; it's scientific info - has absolutely nothing to do with spiritual belief.

Take heart, good felllow. MANY scientists have personal beliefs in a supreme power, be it organized for them under Christianity, Judaism or whatever, that don't pose a conflict for them in their search for scientific knowledge.

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They tested it today - worked as expected. In the next few weeks we may hear about a portal to another dimension opening up! Actually, what will prolly happen is something completely wierd and unexpected and will throw the brain trust into a tizzy for a few more years.

Particle physics is like a women, as soon as you think you understand you relize you have no real clue...
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In the art world, black is sometimes regarded as "colorless," or "missing color."
Actually, in the artist's world of "pigment", black is the presence of all colored pigment and white is the abscence of all colored pigment (escept white, of course).

In the physicist's world of "light", black is the abscence of light and white light is the presence of the full spectrum of light.

These two statements are not contradictory.

A recent thread bounced around with the semantics involved in discudssing this.
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And in the particle physics world, "color" is a definition of which quarks are involved in making up the particle. It has nothing to do with color.
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It can't have a color if it's dark matter, right?

In the art world, black is sometimes regarded as "colorless," or "missing color."
Color in quantum chromodynamics (QCD) is a fundamental property of quarks and gluons and has nothing to do with the electromagnetic spectrum of light and optically perceived "color".
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It's an unusual term of art, isn't it?
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Indian girl commits suicide over 'Big Bang' fear

"In deeply religious and superstitious India, fears about the experiment and the minor risks associated with it spread rapidly through the media."

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It's an unusual term of art, isn't it?
The extreme-physics people kinda went off the deep end in the late 60s and early 70s...
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The extreme-physics people kinda went off the deep end in the late 60s and early 70s...
Didn't the Eightfold Way come after Murray Gell-Mann spent some time living with Tibetan monks?
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Actually, in the artist's world of "pigment", black is the presence of all colored pigment and white is the abscence of all colored pigment (escept white, of course).

In the physicist's world of "light", black is the abscence of light and white light is the presence of the full spectrum of light.

These two statements are not contradictory.

A recent thread bounced around with the semantics involved in discudssing this.
As I remember the explanation, black absorbs light, thus giving off no color. White (as do other colors), reflects light. That's why they're colors.
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Indian girl commits suicide over 'Big Bang' fear

"In deeply religious and superstitious India, fears about the experiment and the minor risks associated with it spread rapidly through the media."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26641652/
Gawd. It's the one thing I knew would happen over this event.
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And in the particle physics world, "color" is a definition of which quarks are involved in making up the particle. It has nothing to do with color.
I find that "particularly" interesting to learn.

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Color in quantum chromodynamics (QCD) is a fundamental property of quarks and gluons and has nothing to do with the electromagnetic spectrum of light and optically perceived "color".

Thanks for the further amplification.
Interesting thread, this.
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Didn't the Eightfold Way come after Murray Gell-Mann spent some time living with Tibetan monks?
I beleive so, it is directly modeled after the Buddhist Eightfold Path.

For anyone interested in reading the history of this stuff, and the characters involved in it, there are some great books on the subject.

"Strange Beauty" by George Johnson is the bio of the afore mentioned Gell-Mann, talking both about him and the research.
"The Inflationary Universe" by Alan Guth is about Inflation and the Big Bang, as discussed by the inventor of it.
Anything by or about Feynman...he created quantum chromodynamics.
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"Strange Beauty" by George Johnson is the bio of the afore mentioned Gell-Mann, talking both about him and the research.
"The Inflationary Universe" by Alan Guth is about Inflation and the Big Bang, as discussed by the inventor of it.
Anything by or about Feynman...he created quantum chromodynamics.
Great. Thanks for the leads. I'll check these out.
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The "Nature Blog" about the test is really quite informative and interesting.

http://blogs.nature.com/news/blog/events/starting_the_lhc/

I just spent the last hour reading through it and learned a ton about what they actually did for the first test, saw some of the images of the results, etc.

Highly recommended.
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Anything by or about Feynman...he created quantum chromodynamics.
Feynman was a real character. I have read alot of his stuff. I'm not much of one to have "heroes", but I would like to be like Richard Feynman.
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Feynman was a real character. I have read alot of his stuff. I'm not much of one to have "heroes", but I would like to be like Richard Feynman.
Man, they all were. Going back for 100 years, physicist have all been kooks, but the best of the best have always been interesting characters as well. It's still that way (you gotta seem them wandering around your lab, I *know* they still infest Fermi).
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I thought color came from electron's jumping from the ground state to the excited state and then back down to the ground state?

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