actually, Schumacher did a torpedoe twice, once on Hill, once on Villeneuve

the Hill case was without consequences
the Villeneuve case, not , he was disqualified for the championship

The decision against Hamilton is IMO a 50/50. Not clear cut. However, I can´t help but to admire him very much. He is a real fighter and particularly in rainy conditions one of the very best drivers. I hope he wins in the end. He could have just taken it real easy, controlling his second position and gaining important points over Massa. But not Hamilton. Screw tactics! I am here to race and win! I love that.

Guys, this is soooooooooooo obvious. LH is the best driver by a country mile. On an even field he smokes everybody. Bernie and his child molesting partner are big time Ferrari ballwashers. This was a move to keep Ferrari in the hint.

Forget large Hadron Collider....

Mule is watching and getting into F1 politics.

Off week in tiger stadium this past weekend, eh mule?

So you mean it’s like this, if LH was 28’2” behind KR when the runoff happened, LH needs to return to the same distance
behind KR before resuming the pace?
What happens if he is only 29’ before resuming pace?

LH did his best effort allowing KR to resume his position and then just out drove him at the next turn.

The pressure I was speaking of for KR is not for the WDC, SPA was the tipping point for Ferrari
who will now put all efforts behind Massa for the remainder of the season, this make Kimi very cranky :D

Did you check out the pics posted a bit early showing how far LH was 'ahead'.. I mean, behind KR before he took to the apron?

And maybe you'll also do a time check on how many seconds LH was on track at speed before KR got past him again....doesn't tally with 'as quickly as he could'...

The image of the Steward's note also only cites the rules which state the racers need to use only the track. So it would appear that going off was the offence which they acted on. Inconsistent and potentially biased...very possibly.

As for Ferrari taking pushing Massa at Kimi's expense... I doubt it... Massa has not yet gained a reputation of being so consistent that putting all their eggs in one basket makes a lot of sense. Afterall he has outqualified KR in the last few races, making changes there pretty irrelevant and in races where he has been ahead KR's position and alatering his performance would not have materially help Massa. When the reverse is true then KR was fighting hard to maintain a better position and not really able to materially help Massa.

It will however be interesting to see if they do try to get KR onto pole more often with a light load....using KR as a 'bait' to get LH to see red and go after him...

I think your right on with that sentence!

KR will tie up LH whilst Massa cruises to the WDC.
Of course that would take a team order by Ferrari and everyone knows team orders are a rule violation :D

total BS argument - there was no armco. Almost every driver used paved runoffs during the race to "their advantage." Each track is different and you adapt to the particular situation. They know where they can be aggressive and where they can't.

This is very selective enforcement of the regulations and again is granting a winner in the stewards office instead of on the track where it belongs. Both drivers were aggressive in the wet, and you could penalize both if you cared to. imho they shouldn't have penalized either of them. This is racing, not kindergarten.

The place got beat up apparently. They are saying it may not be ready for this Saturday. Those rookie qb's need work!

Tsk, tsk.. Ferrari would never resort to team orders or having a definite #1 driver would they?

Nah.....never.;)

Mind you....having said that giving KR light car and getting him to run off into the distance on the off chance he does run away with it is a perfectly legitimate approach. KR is afterall a pretty handy driver and using that approach might give him the freedom he clearly relishes out front.

So at 29 seconds Hamilton took to the runoff....

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At 39 seconds Kimi was finally back on the driving line after almost hitting Hamilton trying to get back over to it when Hamilton should have been giving it to him, the entire front straight was spent fighting to get the position back. 10 seconds, the entire front straight Hamilton was not giving up the position and was setting himself up to have an advantage to take the position by the next corner by keeping Kimi off the driving line as long as possible.

"that's racing"

The position was given back and KR couldn't hold it. It wasn't like LH used the run off just for grins - he was forced there by another car that had spun. He made the best of a bad situation and combined luck with out-driving KR.

"that's racing"

Using the stewards to decide every race (for whatever reason) isn't racing. It's BS.

Quoted from Axis of oversteer.

Well I hope Ferrari does something to cheer up Kimi before he resorts to body slamming pregnant women!

Or, maybe they will tell Kimi to drive like Hammy. Dive into a corner like a kamikazi going way to fast to pull out trying to make an impossible pass, and see who blinks. If the other guy doesn't blink and wants to play chicken then crash him out. If he blinks and lets you go because he doesn't want to get wrecked, pass him. Hey that strategy has worked fine for hammy for two seasons, why not just beat him at his own game?

Hambone threw his car into a corner going too fast. He could not make the pass and stay on the track unless Kimi slowed down and moved over to let him go. Hambone played chicken (again)and someone finally called his bluff. No tears for him. Kimi should have just taken him out.

Just like that silly NASCAR commercial where the little kids says "I didn't say I wouldn't go fishing with the man, but if he gets near me on the track the story ends with him in the wall".
That's how hambone needs to be treated until he learns he can't just push his way through like a demolition derby driver anymore.

Lewis made a huge error in judgement in trying to pass on that corner and paid the ultimate price for it. He could of passed in numerous spots. He spouted off in the past about he is as cool as Kimi, but stunts like this are proof he has a lot to learn.

Great battle between Kimi and Lewis for the most part.

Why when Senna & Prost jammed each other it was called racing?
LH does it and he's a big bully?

See it all comes down to perception. The way I look at it, Hamilton outbraked Kimi in a fierce but safe manner and turned in smoothly without endangering Kimi. If anyone pushed his way through, it was Kimi who changed his line to force Hamilton off the track. Either way, no harm no foul. I would have done the same thing Kimi did if I were in his shoes. The fact is, its irrelevant. That type of overtaking manuver happens all the time and nobody ever gets disciplined. LET THEM RACE!

Looking around the web and television, I am reading and seeing opinions of numerous people within the sport of F1 - retired drivers, television commentators, magazine writers, internet pundants even the sporting director of F1 racing and all but one or two feel that the ruling was uncalled for and unfair. The VAST majority of people much smarter and closer to the scene than any of us agree that this is meddling on the part of the FIA.

"Red mist" occurs in some drivers and most Tifosi.

You talk to anyone who has actually raced wheel-to-wheel and I'll bet 99.9% of them say the decision is total BS. I'll bet both Kimi and Massa know it is BS. The only ones that don't are Max/Bernie and the Tifosi.

Apparently ex Ferrari F1 World champ Niki Lauda, thought that the stewards' decision was "the worst judgement in F1 history".

Sums it up nicely IMO!