many people own guns for other reasons... for example, huge numbers of people from other cultures tend to flood into Oregon.

here is a pic of the Oregon Welcome Wagon - who greet newly arrived people interested in moving into our state


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I always resisted the idea of keeping a gun at home until the Los Angeles riots in 92.

At the time, I lived in a very affluent city with my wife and children. During the rioting, thugs started loitering on street corners to see if others might show up so they could join in on the looting and pilageing. My father-in-law pleaded with me to buy a gun until things were under control. So, I bought a 12 guage pump shot gun and a modest amount of ammo.

To be honest, I don't like the idea of owning a gun in the middle of suburbia. But, after witnessing the way scum reacts during a period of civil crisis, I am glad I have one. After reading this thread, I think I am going to buy a couple more cartons of buckshot and slugs.

Mike

If you field-dressed and ate them, then yes.

My only recourse is going to be to mod the 911.
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It'll have to be converted to run on human blood.

I won't need no stinkin' guns (nor badges...).

Hey this all Bushs fault, well wait a minute it is all the Dems fault...no wait..I am just so confused...

So, does anyone have a source listing who voted how? I'd like to see which Reps I support ;)

I believe you might be confusing the M1 Carbine ( a 5.25 lb short rifle which fires a .30 carbine round that is, with factory loads, similar to a .38 Spl. pistol cartridge in terminal ballistics) with the M1 Garand (a full sized 9.5 lb rifle which fires the .30 - '06 cartridge). Apples to oranges.

My opinion is to purchase the .223 and use the latest 117 gr bullets (in a barrel with 1-7 or 1-9 twist) for substantially increased stopping power out to 500 yards.

In any case, fire one of these three weapons without ear protection in a closed small space will cause immediate hearing loss.

Only if they had General Mills T-shirts on.

Do you have to use a Special AK-47?

who voted how

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2008-674

my bad, i copied the wrong bill

LOL. Armed Forces is about 3 mil.

Guns.

The number of privately owned guns in the U.S. is at an all-time high. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) estimates that there were about 215 million guns in 1999,1 when the number of new guns was averaging about 4.5 million (about 2%) annually.2 A report for the National Academy of Sciences put the 1999 figure at 258 million.3 According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, there were 60.4 million approved (new and used) NICS firearm transactions between 1994 2004.4 The number of NICS checks for firearm purchases or permits increased 3.2% between 2003-2004.

Gun Owners.

The number of gun owners is also at an all-time high. The U.S. population is at an all-time high (294 million), and rises about 1% annually.5 Numerous surveys over the last 40+ years have found that almost half of all households have at least one gun owner.6 Some surveys since the late 1990s have indicated a smaller incidence of gun ownership,7 probably because of some respondents` concerns about "gun control," residually due, perhaps, to the anti-gun policies of the Clinton Administration.

Sorry...our military is outnumbered/out-armed by civilians.

I recall going to the range the weekend after 9/11 and the gun store's shelves were bare! They had zero inventory.

the fact remains that the us IS heading for something big and i for one would like to be able to protect myself and my family if/WHEN the time comes. i mean if iraqi citizens can duke it out with our armed forces what makes you think that we cant.

oh and btw im not a gun nut im just a person who has lost all faith in the american goverment.

Thom, do you honestly think that the US Military could--or more importantly, would--handle an uprising in large numbers?

"I was just following orders" may work great when shooting Iraqi insurgents but I suspect it would be a different story if they were asked to shoot at Joe Sixpack.

No chance could they or would they. We ain't gonna pull all our forward-deployed forces back stateside. What's already here would not be able to handle a serious uprising or civil unrest. If law and order were truly out the window, most Americans would be stunned to see what kind of firepower is in civilian hands and then comes out of the woodwork. Just go to any decent size gun show and you'll get small sampling of what's out there. And that's just the stuff people are willing to show off in public under the watchful eyes of the undercover BATF agents. The stuff that's really out there would floor you.

Not really; a good friend of mine is a Class III dealer. I get to play with all kinds of fun toys. :D

the military wouldn't attack it's own people . the military is there to protect the people and not necessarily the government. in fact i have a feeling that if it got right down to a mad max ending that 90% of the troops would be on the civilian side because after all they are just like us

New Orleans

Rick,

.223 is probably the way to go, I concur. The M1 Carbine is not .06 but 30 cal carbine. It is less powerful than the .223.

Addressing some of the other comments regarding 10,000 rounds of ammo and 50 guns is that the ammo is better than cash when there is civil unrest.

As far as taking on the military and the police, probably not but rioters, in laws and zombies the more ammo the better and longer reach weapons with close in shotguns if the inlaws do get inside for dinner.