'Preparing for the worst' by buying guns/ammo. Why?
 

I guess I don't quite get this. I'm a gun guy. All told I'll be I have at least 200 rounds of each caliber I own with the exception of my deer rifle (if your a good deer hunter, you really only need one bullet per year :) ). I do have about 800 rounds of 7.62x39 that my dad gave to me. But I have not bothered to go out and buy anything extra. If I stop at the range, I just buy enough to replace what I shoot up.

What is the point in hording ammo and guns? There are so many guns in this country, whats the point? And who are you going to be shooting with all of this ammo anyway? Roving gangs of looters in some kind of Mad Max future distopia with dictator for life Obama directing them to rape all the white women? Looters aren't soliders, their gutless worms. A few rounds of 7.62 sailing over their heads and they'll scatter like cockroaches. The sound of rifle really does give folks a moment of clarity, especially when delivered in a nice burst.

I just don't get it.

If you really belived that it was going to come to that, why wouldn't you just move to another country?

"You can get more with a gun and a smile than you can with just a smile..."

Very good question. I think that there is a lot of fear and paranoia among a certain segment of society.

I have the same amount of ammo I've always had, enough to kill 2 or 3 vermin in short order.

I view it like an insurance policy. Hopefully, you'll never need it, but if you do, it's there. I wouldn't spend money I didn't have on "hording" ammo/guns, but I think it is a good investment in the (uncertain) future.

I guess I could imagine localized chaos if a nuke went off in a big city, but I honestly can't imagine a total break down of civilization in the US.

I'm either not paranoid or unprepared, depending on who's making the judgment.

All this "when the zombies come" survivalist stuff is 99% entertainment, IMO.

Assuming you aren't an oldster circling the drain, everyone here will see (close-up) civil unrest/rioting and/or looting in the future. It will most likely be localized with the potential for spreading nationally. Listen to me now and believe me later... :D

Put yourself in post-Katrina New Orleans. Would you rather have had guns or not?

I rest my case.

With guns: Can easily protect yourself, your family, your property, your interests. Gives you leverage to trade/barter.

Without guns: You're a target, especially if you have things that people WITH guns might want - property, food, water, clothing, shelter, money, gasoline, etc.

I'm not so naive as to think we can live without them. Throughout history, even the most "civilized" societies are always built on the pillar of good defense and the willingness of people to fight for their way of life and beliefs.

The immediate threat of an Obama presidency is that he'll go on a witch hunt against firearms and they'll be so heavily restricted as to be virtually impossible to obtain or keep. Any government that wants to disarm its citizens is one that we should be very, very concerned about. That's enough reason for me too.

And rest assured, if there ever was a breakdown of law and order in this country or a failure of it, or (more likely) we plunge into another Great Depression with open looting, theft, violence and lawlessness in the streets, I won't hesitate to look out for myself. The ones that will be screwed will be the ones that have drank the Kool-Aid and believe that government, law enforcement and the guys with white hats will always be there to save them.

Bottom line is I hope I never have to use them, but if the situation ever arises where I need to, I'll be glad I'm prepared and won't hesitate. It's an extension of the motto I learned in scouts years ago, "Be Prepared".

+1

And those are the same folks who consider us "gun nuts".

I was visiting a girlfriend (who lived in an apartment building) to help her board-up windows after tornado damage. All the neighbors saw me with my portable, battery-operated tools (circular saw, drill, sawzall). I was descended upon by people asking for help. I refused their money and helped everyone I could. I eventually had to sneak out of the building.

Guns = tools.

In this economy,

Ammunition maybe the new currency of 2009.

:(

Just Kidding.

You can never have enough ammo and gas.

You have 2 hands.
You can probably carry 40 pounds of ammo around in a SHTF situation.

Why have 10 guns and 400 pounds of ammo? If you somehow make it though all 40 pounds of ammo as the waves of people stream towards your home (which is a target, because, well, you have lots of guns there that THEY want)...

As soon as someone get access to the guns that you are not actively holding in those two hands, yer dead.

Umm...let's keep politics out of this so we don't get sent to the sandbox!

Ammo prices just keep going up, dude.

Pray tell, where? In what country besides the USA does the citizenry enjoy the kinds of freedoms we have? Particularly with the right to keep and bear arms?

I've got a 2-mile line of sight, one road coming in and a block parapet wall on my roof.

Good luck getting to my guns!

They won't need your guns, they have your neighbors.

Oh, I have a 500 person standing army at my gate, c4 on all of my entrance doors, and sharks with friggin laser beams protecting my property. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Neighbors are 2 miles away.

You really have all that stuff guarding your rental apartment?

Oh, and how's beautiful Houston doing these days... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: (reason enough to have a stash of guns).

Well, that is why there are hidden places around for them, and nothing to give away where any are. They would have to know where they are to go where they are.

But it is one of the reasons others here are playing catch up (but I must admit, the main reason I have so many & much is just because I like them, much like my 1/43 models:p, not for any other reason than I enjoy them)
To me, there is nothing I enjoy shooting more than frozen 2 liter bottles:D

Gun nuts.









I've only got enough to get 12 of them before they get me.

Looks like this thread is on the express to PARF.

You're making this some type of personal attack?

Yes, you're right, you are the one person in this country that will be immune to having someone even approach your home when things go down. I got that, you made it clear. I'll be here wallowing in my own blood, because apparently, if being in this city isn't bad enough, being in an apartment in this city is. Lemme guess...yer gonna make some comment about my financial situation as well, and attribute that to me not being ABLE to amass guns and ammo, right? I mean, all us apartment dwellers really are the lowest of the low on the social spectrum, right?

LOL...must've hit a nerve. ;)

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i nearly pissed myself laughing at this.

i own guns and i dont keep an overly crazy amount of ammo around but i keep enough around where if i need it it's there. my father owns guns also and we just follow the qoute "walk softly but carry a big stick" i think everyone has this idea of escape from ny meets resident evil idea for the future.
but i could be wrong hell maybe people just wanna shoot something.

I don't have any guns or ammo I just have spoons....

I think if one remembers Los Angeles in 1992, when the city went bizerk after the Rodney King verdict. I remember the police just sitting in their cars watching 2 dark guys walk past them carrying a sofa on their heads. All the Pooolice did was shrug their shoulders, saying what can we do? The only business owners that didn't have their stores looted and burned were the ones who had guns and would fire in the direction of the crowds approaching their stores. So if one is going to depend on the Pooolice I think one is going to be in for a rude awakening if things go down hill. So better to have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it.

I do think in a perverse way after 1992 the Liberal Democrats got afraid of a breakdown in society where the mob has guns and will run amok with them. So they want to limit the number of guns in society so that society can not do any harm to themselves or be brought to heel much easier.

If anything was learned during the L.A. riots, it was that looters and wilding packs only like unarmed victims. A couple of warning shots fired through someone's chest with a deer rifle makes a crowd of 300 people turn around and run like Olympic gold medalists.

I've been stockpiling ammo because it's getting pretty expensive and will only keep going up. If/when the time comes that the police are overwhelmed and there is civil unrest around me, ammo will be worth its weight in gold. In such a situation, there will be no more running down to Wal-Mart for a value-pack of ammo, no more ordering bulk online. You'll be stuck with what you have. Luckily, I live in a pretty good and remote part of town. And I'll make the wild guess I have a lot of well-armed neighbors too. I don't think we'll have a problem. But the police have no legal obligation to protect you even when times are good. They'll be nowhere to be found when things get bad.

I also concur with Jeff's comments wrt Katrina. If that doesn't make you think guns and ammo are good to have, nothing will.

Thats why I like my AK spoon.

How many SPM's? - Can it shoot sporks?

I think it was my comment that set this off. So here is MY explanation.

I have been picking up a variety of rifles over the past year which use a variety of ammo. These are the common calibers available today. I am concerned that these rifles will not be available in the future, no matter WHAT is said by politicians. "Sensible regulation" is new catch phrase of the gun banners. Look what "Sensible regulation" did in Austrialia. Guns are still around, but all you are allowed are single shot rifles and shotguns. Everything else is banned.

As far as ammo is concerned, it is the back door way to ban guns. No ammo and the pistol is a complicated rock and the rifle just a heavy stick. While I do not think that ammo will be made illegal, it can be made expensive.

I doubt I can stockpile enough to make me a true nut. But, all I need is 2 milk cartons of .22 ammo and the news will say I have "Thousands of rounds", if the news every said anything.

Please study the following map:


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1222686454.gif

When/if society falls apart, you only have to be concerned if you are living in a Blue Zone!:p

After the shootouts in the Blue Zone finally subside ...they will soon turn RED again.;)

Not being political here moderators, just the only map I had handy. I'm talking urban centers.

My take:

I have the 870 and the G17 for breakdown of law and order. Most of the ammo I keep for them is for recreational shooting.

The reason I'm stockpiling? It's not because of a potential breakdown of law and order or becasue ammo prices are going up (though they should level off or drop as commodity prices have moderated). It's because with the recent Heller decision, the Brady Campaign has turned to getting ammunition banned (as it wasn't covered in the ruling). They have several, concurrent strategies. One is requiring microstamping. One is ammunition serial numbers. Under either scheme, they would outlaw reloading and the private transfer of ammunition.

THAT I understand, and THAT is very different than "I'm prepping for the SHTF scenario that is coming soon, with zombies working alongside thieves wanting my 4 cans of stockpiled corn!". I hope to be able to stockpile V8 muscle cars for the very same reason at some point in my life :D

happiness is knowing someone that owns BELT-FED HK-21E's.

ralph smith............RDTS.com

note location............cave creek(home of da cave) ARIZONA!

aint gonna be any civil unrest here....................EVER!

Guns are useful to maintain power with the people. The better armed the society, the better reminder that our government is supposed to work for us.

We are currently taxed at gunpoint, we can be un-taxed using the same approach.

Do you think it's a coincidence that those wanting to raise taxes also want to remove gun-rights?

Hedging against price increases. WHen I got my FAL 2.5 years ago, you could get good S. African surplus for $20/140 rounds. Not long after I got the FAL, it went up to $50/140. Now, any surplus is about 50c/rnd. Wolf 7.62x39 used to be $90/case delivered, now wholesale w/o shipping is $200/case. Between the UN wanting countries to stop exporting their surplus (this is why the SA went up) and increases in metals prices, and domestic manufacturing being filled up filling military orders (ours, and our "friendlies"), prices are just going up and up and up. Then add in the increase in shipping costs.

Guns are useful to maintain power with the people. The better armed the society, the better reminder that our government is supposed to work for us.

While this is a nice sentiment, it is really just a dream:

a) the government has bigger guns than you do and more of them
b) if you managed to get more than a couple dozen like-minded comrades organized, you're be declared 'enemy combatants' via an NSL (thanks to GWB - oh the irony!) and hauled off to gitmo.
c) judging by the coherence of the posts of some of the gun nuts here, you'd get your asses handed to you by a troop of girl scouts armed with slingshots
d) seriously: what do you propose to do? Drive to your local capitol building and start expending rounds? Sounds like a mix of Columbine and a mid-life crisis.

I work with law enforcement on some of my projects. They all admit that in the event of some major event (earthquake, civil unreset, etc), citizens are on their own for at least 72 hours and likely up to and beyond a week. That means providing your own food, water, and protection. You can call 911 all you want - they ain't coming.

oh, and the zombies too

That's BS. The people on Galveston Island were told they were gonna be on their own, and it only took a few hours (it wasn't even windy yet!) before they were calling 911! The were being ferried out via expensive helicopters the next freaking day!

Cops love us and want us all to be happy and comfortable at all times, and will do whatever it takes to fight off the zombies if the citizens need comforting.

So did the British in 1776.


The price of liberty and freedom from tyranny has never been cheap.

Like who? And what exactly constitutes a "gun nut"? Number of guns owned? Caliber? Rounds per minute? What exactly?

Do you bother to celebrate Independence Day? It sounds like from your absolutist perspective that this would be an inappropriate day for you to enjoy. So why not just report to work that day. Better still, why not relinquish your U.S. citizenship since it was ill-obtained and the result of "insurgent" rebellious activity against the legitimate government (Britain). I'm sure the U.K. will take you back.

ZOMBEES................hate belt fed HK-21E's!