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berettafan 04-29-2009 10:44 AM

kris allen is the little buz cut kids name.

Eric Coffey 04-29-2009 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Moses (Post 4634881)
That's progress. My kids won't tolerate any criticism of Lambert.

And it would appear he has glossed the judges over as well.

Sorry, but I don't get the attraction, and some of you have tin ears. :D
Lambert is shrill/sharp in the upper registers and too "breathy" in the lower octaves to me. Visually, the nail polish and "guyliner" isn't winning him any style points either (gay or not). Isn't the whole emo, I-hate-my-dad, wearing-my-sister's-pants fad dead already? :rolleyes:

Allison has pipes, but horrible annunciation (she needs speach therapy). She sounds like she's trying to sing with a mouthful of marbles.

Last week, the most well-rounded performance was the kid with the guitar (Chris?). Last night, it was no contest: Danny was head and shoulders above the rest IMO. He's got the best vocal quality/tibre, and know's what is and isn't in his wheelhouse (range).

MMARSH 04-29-2009 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Coffey (Post 4634911)
And it would appear he has glossed the judges over as well.

Sorry, but I don't get the attraction, and some of you have tin ears. :D
Lambert is shrill/sharp in the upper registers and too "breathy" in the lower octaves to me. Visually, the nail polish and "guyliner" isn't winning him any style points either (gay or not). Isn't the whole emo, I-hate-my-dad, wearing-my-sister's-pants fad dead already? :rolleyes:

Allison has pipes, but horrible annunciation (she needs speach therapy). She sounds like she's trying to sing with a mouthful of marbles.

Last week, the most well-rounded performance was the kid with the guitar (Chris?). Last night, it was no contest: Danny was head and shoulders above the rest IMO. He's got the best vocal quality/tibre, and know's what is and isn't in his wheelhouse (range).

+1000 on all counts. Allison has a nice voice, but her annunciation was driving me nuts. It's like she's singing lazy.

stomachmonkey 04-29-2009 01:50 PM

Not too long ago a real entertainer did it all, acted, danced, sang.

Adam is an entertainer, a showman. Put him on a stadium stage and he can to perform to the front rows as well as the rafters and everyone in between.

Kris is a great talent but he bores me. I can't imagine seeing him in anything larger than a couple of thousand seat theatre. I think his future is in producing and writing. He can still have a performing career but he strikes me more as a Tom Waits, T-Bone Burnet kind of talent.

Danny was one of my top 3 from the beginning but he is starting to remind me of Taylor Hicks, he's got a limit to what he can do and so far as I can tell does not have the same musical skill set as Kris.

IMHO

m21sniper 04-29-2009 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 911pcars (Post 4634797)
Au contraire. True artists don't push their technique onto the listener unless they feel it's an essential part of the composition.

Tyler is not a true artist? Mercury was not a true artist? Bruce Dickenson was not a true artist? These are all way over the top performers. (and all legends)

Your problem with Adam lambert is one of personal taste, and nothing more.

To say he is not a 'true artist' is flat retarded, and borderline 'hating'.

m21sniper 04-29-2009 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 4635262)
Not too long ago a real entertainer did it all, acted, danced, sang.

Adam is an entertainer, a showman. Put him on a stadium stage and he can to perform to the front rows as well as the rafters and everyone in between.

Kris is a great talent but he bores me. I can't imagine seeing him in anything larger than a couple of thousand seat theatre. I think his future is in producing and writing. He can still have a performing career but he strikes me more as a Tom Waits, T-Bone Burnet kind of talent.

Danny was one of my top 3 from the beginning but he is starting to remind me of Taylor Hicks, he's got a limit to what he can do and so far as I can tell does not have the same musical skill set as Kris.

IMHO

+1001 on all counts.

And it baffles me that someone could call Lambert's upper register "shrill." o.O

The man is practically pitch perfect at all times. Not once has a judge criticized a single note he has sang the entire season. How could they? His notes are almost all perfect. Even when he does have an off-note, the rest of the performance so overwhelms it that it's not even significant.

Lambert is miles ahead in the voting(when the itunes download ratings were accidentally listed last week on the site that became obvious- he has more than 2x the downloads of anyone else on the show), it sounds to me like some people are just haing because their personal favorite is soon to fall. This happens at this stage every year. These sorts of comments are par for the course.

There are people that didn't like Robert Plant, or Freddie Mercury or Steven Tyler too, so i'm not surprised i guess.

Danny is just a growed up version of Adam Archuletta from last year. Every song he sings sounds the same, he tries to make it all fit into that gospelly thing he does. Whatever it is, it still sounds like gospel.

Lambert OTH has done actual disco(play that funky music), blues/soul(last night), industrial/rock(born to be wild), acid rock(ring of fire), motown(tracks of my tears), Pop(black and white) and all of it sounded unique and different. I think he's the greatest that show's seen since Kelly Clarkson. He transcends genres, and THAT is the true test of a great performer IMO.

berettafan 04-29-2009 03:10 PM

agree danny too is a one trick pony. i skip his performances when we watch.

the archuletta kid had the WORST taste in music i've ever seen. absolutely horrible.

m21sniper 04-29-2009 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 4635413)
agree danny too is a one trick pony. i skip his performances when we watch.

the archuletta kid had the WORST taste in music i've ever seen. absolutely horrible.

I agree.

Music is a funny thing, there is no definitive right or wrong unless someone is obviously off-key or out of pitch(which is obviously not the case with lambert, gokey or allen). It's just a matter of personal taste.

Some people love Frank Sinatra, his music does nothing for me but make me change the station.

All a matter of taste.

911pcars 04-29-2009 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4635384)
Tyler is not a true artist? Mercury was not a true artist? Bruce Dickenson was not a true artist? These are all way over the top performers. (and all legends)

Your problem with Adam lambert is one of personal taste, and nothing more.

To say he is not a 'true artist' is flat retarded, and borderline 'hating'.

Nope. I didn't say that. Read my post again.
"Au contraire. True artists don't push their technique onto the listener unless they feel it's an essential part of the composition. Many do so because they're unsecure in their ability to connect with the listener. They might impress with their vocal range and technical chops, but sometimes it's so much like Kenny's G's claim to fame, "circular breathing" abilities. Now what?"

I didn't mention Lambert. I did mention there are performers who display their technical virtuousity in lieu of making an emotional connection with the audience. From what I understand, Lambert's Frank Sinatra-type song interpretation - in falsetto wasn't as close to the mark as the other contestants - he with the claimed wide vocal range. If Lambert had wide-range vocal chops, why would he not display them as requested?

Nothing personal against this young man, btw.

Sherwood

berettafan 04-29-2009 03:35 PM

it definitely is taste but archeletta's (and the blind fellow this year) choices were so without soul as to be painful.

m21sniper 04-29-2009 03:47 PM

The blind guy was not a very good singer to begin with i think. If he wasn't handicapped i doubt he even makes the top 24.

I agree about Archuletta. His greatest AI performance was Imagine on the first episode. He never again matched that performance from either a technical or an emotional level IMO.

PS: Fair nuff 911pcars. Your post was framed with a couple "anti" lambert posts, so i thought yours was as well.

Nathans_Dad 04-29-2009 07:06 PM

Maybe being in the bottom 2 will give Lambert the hint to lay off the super high notes for a while.

It's like Mariah Carey. If you look at her early stuff she did WAY too much of the dolphin mating calls, now she seems to have caught the clue and keeps things more in her lower registers.

Lambert should do the same.

In the last few weeks I think Chris has come on as the favorite to be in the finals with Lambert and maybe even beat him.

stomachmonkey 04-29-2009 07:15 PM

Tonight was exactly why they instituted the save, which was IMHO, wasted early on Matt who simply was not going to win regardless.

Adam is so far ahead that people stopped voting figuring he is a shoe in.

Same thing happened to Daughtry the year Taylor Hicks won.

I think it may have been the case with Dolittle as well.

cantdrv55 04-29-2009 07:27 PM

Sheesh, what is it with you always coming to Lambert's defense? You are taking things a little too personally for someone you don't even know. I've been saying all along that he's a one trick pony. The guy shrieks waaaay too much. Last night was supposed to be Rat Pack night. None of those old guys screamed back in the day. I don't know why he felt he had to sing like Mercury.

m21sniper 04-29-2009 11:07 PM

I agree with stomach monkey, the save was totally wasted on Matt. He clearly had no chance to win.

And tonights show was actually a LOT of manufactured drama, because in the past they would not have done it like this in the final 5. They deliberately did it this way to ramp up the drama and excitement, but this format actually favors lambert, since it will give his fans a massive wakeup call.

Everyone felt he was untouchable and cruising (seriously read any articles from this week, everyone that wrote one said Adam was the best one this week and was cruising, Vegas has his odds at a .8:1 payout) , and apparently his fans did too. Now they will have a fire lit and all vote like nuts. The judges were stunned. Paula, Kara and Randy all literally had dropped wide open jaws. As did i.

Chris and Allison have both already been bottom 3 before, it's no big deal. You just don't want to be bottom 1.

Fortunately for Adam, unlike Daughtry who was voted off in the top 4, his fans will get a 2nd chance to support him properly. I still fully expect him and Gokey in the finals, which is what Simon also predicted last week.

It was exciting though.....haha i'm such a teenaged chick for this show. ;)

JE928sx4 04-29-2009 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4595029)
He reminds me of a mix between Plant/Mercury/Tyler.

I don't know exactly what makes a superstar a superstar, but when you see one it's obvious.

http://aboutadamlambert.com/wp-conte...ambert-rof.jpg

Looks like Elvis with a weird haircut. I wasn't that impressed with the falsetto deal. Why TF did I even start reading this thread....oh...the horror....the horror..... :p

m21sniper 04-30-2009 12:03 AM

I was never impressed by Pavorati.

Others would give their life for him. Music is all about personal taste.

JE928sx4 04-30-2009 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4636144)
I was never impressed by Pavorati.

Others would give their life for him. Music is all about personal taste.

Listen to him or Bocelli sing Nessun dorma (theme song for the 1990 world cup for all you sports fans), that will change your mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqzz7B7V2IE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VATmgtmR5o4&feature=related

Big Ed 04-30-2009 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 4635833)
Same thing happened to Daughtry the year Taylor Hicks won.

Good point.

And poor Daughtry now can't get any airplay; all you ever hear is Hicks on the radio.

m21sniper 04-30-2009 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JE928sx4 (Post 4636147)
Listen to him or Bocelli sing Nessun dorma (theme song for the 1990 world cup for all you sports fans), that will change your mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqzz7B7V2IE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VATmgtmR5o4&feature=related

The whole genre, does nothing for me.

The only opera singer who has ever moved me was.....hmmm....there's never been one. However, i freely admit he Pavorati was very talented.

As i say, all a matter of personal taste.


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