Not worried about your weapons? You should be...

Joeaksa · 06-08-2009, 08:40 AM

All of those of you out there who have purchased weapons through the BATF computerized approval system need to be worried. Very worried.

The individual below was recently arrested. His crime? Not a bloody thing, he simply "worried the FBI" so they arrested him. How did they put it in their statement to the television "we were concerned and he had a lot of weapons (8) registered in his name so we arrested him." Yes its a crime to threaten the President but if everyone who did this was arrested, the jails and prisons would be chock full right now, so they are doing "selective enforcement" and using his ownership of weapons as their crutch to justify their actions.

Not going to comment on how many is "a lot of weapons" as I know people with 5-10 times this amount stashed at home, so they must be 5-10 times that dangerous. Yes this guy was probably not the most stable in the world, and kept talking to himself (hey, Tabs, Lube and myself do that all the time!

) so they simply arrested him and used the fact that he has weapons registered in his name.

Not telling anyone what to do but given the choice of buying a weapon "with paperwork" or without, I sure know which one would give everyone less exposure in our current socialist administration. Remember 1936 in Nazi Germany when they used the weapons registration lists to sieze them from everyone.

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Man who threatened president arrested in Laughlin

By Mary Manning

A man who is accused of making death threats against President Barack Obama was arrested Friday night in Laughlin by Metro Police and federal agents.

Daniel James Murray, 36, was arrested about 7 p.m. in a parking lot of a casino in Laughlin, about 90 miles southeast of Las Vegas, Assistant U.S. Attorney Barbara Bearnson said.

At Zion First National Bank in St. George on May 19, Murray asked if the bank was solvent and predicted that citizens would lose their money, court documents said. Eight days later Murray returned to the bank and asked withdraw $12,000, but he did not have proper identification, the Secret Service said. He is then alleged to have said that if he didn't receive the money, someone would die. At that point a bank manager allowed tellers to give him cash in bills smaller than $50.

As a teller counted the money for him, Murray said that "We are on a mission to kill the president of the United States," court documents said.

He returned to the bank and withdrew another $72,000 and closed his account, the court documents from Salt Lake City said.

Murray did not resist authorities who arrested him Friday night in the parking lot of the Riverside Hotel and Casino in Laughlin. Murray is expected to be in court on Monday.

In the court documents, Murray is said to have eight guns registered to him. He has ties to New York, California, Texas and Utah, in addition to his travels in Nevada.

Murray is originally from upstate New York. The felony charge of threatening the president's life was filed in Salt Lake City.

Former neighbors of Murray said he was known as "Cape Man," in New York, because he walked around the neighborhood in a cape. (wonder if he is on the PPOT?)

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jun/06/man-who-threatened-president-arrested-laughlin/

Gogar · 06-08-2009, 08:56 AM

Do you think that the "gun ownership" angle is one added by the FBI, or the media?

I think he should definitely be arrested by the "fashion police", for wearing a cape around town.

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

Actually, Nevada has handgun registration, so that might be how they got that number of guns. I've certainly filled out plenty of 4473 forms for guns I no longer own and sold private party with no paperwork involved. I think the key here is to not be an idiot and you probably won't get hassled by the feds.

911boost · 911boost's Garage

Yeah, this guy sounds like an ass clown.

I agree with Rick.

speeder · speeder's Garage

Ah, didn't this guy get arrested for making death threats against the POTUS? How did you change that to him getting arrested for owning 8 guns???

Joeaksa · 06-08-2009, 09:09 AM

Denis,

The info on the newspaper report is direct from the case against the guy arrested. No one "changed anything" about him getting arrested for the guns, this is what the FBI used as a crutch to arrest him.

Lets face it, there are thousands of people out there who have said something that could probably get them arrested for making statements against the idiot in the WH right now but they have not been arrested.

It was the combination of making the statement and having 8 weapons in his name that got this guy arrested. Thats what we need to be concerned about, that the govt is now saying that even though someone legally owns a weapon, or number of them, that they are a danger to society and puts them behind bars.

jyl · jyl's Garage

How could the police NOT arrest this guy? Makes death threats, first to the bank, then to the President, while withdrawing a lot of money in small bills. Hardly somone the authorities could simply ignore. Suppose he'd said "I'm going to kill Joeaska" instead (and he knew where to find you) - yeah, you'd want him in custody, at least so the police could check him out and figure out if he's actually a threat.

Superman · 06-08-2009, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Lets face it, there are thousands of people out there who have said something that could probably get them arrested for making statements against the idiot in the WH right now but they have not been arrested.
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From the moment I first saw a video clip of Dubya, I have detested him. He struck me as an arrogant, insecure, cowardly idiot. Since that time, he has done nothing to improve my impression of him. I believe, and have often reported here, that he may have done more damage to America than any person in history. And yet......none of these opinions or remarks have included any indication that I will attempt to murder him. There is a big difference between a criticism and a death threat. I have never heard of anyone threatening to kill the President of the United States of America who was not arrested for making that threat. I've never heard of anyone being arrested for lawfully owning guns. This story seems pretty clear to me. The guy was arrested for threatening to assasinate the POTUS. Lame attempt to put a different spin on it, Joe.

MotoSook · 06-08-2009, 10:14 AM

I don't think they can make the gun charge stick if the guy legally obtained and helded onto the guns, but the mention of this in front of a jury will not be helpful to his defense. They will have to make the threat to the POTUS stick hard, which won't be easy if the guy only withdrew money and mentioned to the teller certain threats and he didn't have a weapon on him. If he had drawn out plans and was part of some whacko organization with a mission statement about killing someone, then it would be easier....but....

This guys doesn't seem like a very bright bulb, and probably had it coming. What I'd like to know is how a whacko like this accumulated all that money in his bank account? Gas eas at a casino, so maybe he's lucky at the table.

Is the 4473 form sent in and logged by the BATF? I thought it was just suppose to be kept by the FFL and used for the background check call.

pwd72s · 06-08-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Superman

From the moment I first saw a video clip of Dubya, I have detested him. He struck me as an arrogant, insecure, cowardly idiot. Since that time, he has done nothing to improve my impression of him. I believe, and have often reported here, that he may have done more damage to America than any person in history. And yet......none of these opinions or remarks have included any indication that I will attempt to murder him. There is a big difference between a criticism and a death threat. I have never heard of anyone threatening to kill the President of the United States of America who was not arrested for making that threat. I've never heard of anyone being arrested for lawfully owning guns. This story seems pretty clear to me. The guy was arrested for threatening to assasinate the POTUS. Lame attempt to put a different spin on it, Joe.

All anybody thinking of killing Obama need do is look at the order of replacement...Obama appointed himself his life insurance policy...

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

Quote:

Originally Posted by Souk

Is the 4473 form sent in and logged by the BATF? I thought it was just suppose to be kept by the FFL and used for the background check call.

Yes, but I'm pretty sure the form contains no info on the actual gun purchased. The FFL has to keep the form for, IIRC, 10 years. If a crime gun is investigated, the cops trace its chain of ownership from the manufacturer on down the FFL line and so sometimes the forms get asked for. If you have a NV CCW, you have to qualify with each gun you want to carry and have it listed on your CCW. Now that I think about it, I think only Clark County has mandatory gun registration, not the rest of the state.

masraum · 06-08-2009, 10:26 AM

I think the real problem is that he's got 3 first names. Everyone knows that means trouble.

speeder · speeder's Garage

Yawn...

MotoSook · 06-08-2009, 10:50 AM

Rick - that's about what I understand about the form. There is traceability (MFR to vendor to FFL to owner) for a number of years (at least 10) and the FFL maintains a log book which may be kept for longer, but the actual serial number and gun type is not logged by the BATF (in the FFL log book perhaps). So technically there is no registration at the BATF.

In illinois private transfer needs to happen between registered firearm owners (FOID card), and those involved need to keep records for 10 yrs. I suppose if I sold something to someone on a private transfer, I'd want to keep records for as along as reasonable, so if the gun was used in a crime I have proof of non-ownership.

I also keep all my receipts in a fire safe so I ultimately have proof of lawful ownership.

Back on topic, there have been other cases of the justice system piling on gun charges on top of other charges. Basically, if you are a lawful citizen and live in a city or state that recognizes your rights, you shouldn't be too paranoid. We often hear of perhaps unfair gun charges, but it's usually associated with someone who has other problems with the law. Even if the gun charges don't stick it'll add more time and money to the defense cost.

Best to be smarter than the average cookie if you are to own a gun.