Iran

[Porsche-O-Phile]

So what do you guys think is going to happen there? Already getting ugly. Wonder if maybe some good will come out of this...

[Joeaksa]

Just watching the BBC (am out of the country right now) and one Iranian man was interviewed. He asked "now they have free elections in Iraq, so why cannot we have them here?"

If we did one good thing in Iraq, it was this and I hope to God that we have seriously made a difference in that part of the world. Judging from the man above I really feel that we have.

Joe A

PS, the next 24/48 hours will tell a lot. Should the police or thugs finally realize that they cannot stop all of this then the religious nuts will have lost. Either way, the ball is rolling and cannot be stopped now. Maybe not this election but the end of the religious nuts reign there is in sight.

[legion]

Who would have thought 8 years ago that Iraq would be a democracy and Iran was heading that way?

[BeyGon]

can the people of North Korea see this?

[legion]

Originally Posted by BeyGon

can the people of North Korea see this?

Sadly, no.

The only media the people of NK see is the official state media. They have been brainwashed to believe that the US will kill them all and ONLY their glorious leader can protect them.

A land fight in NK would make a land fight in Japan during WWII look like Candyland.

[URY914]

I was thinking how this reminds me of Tiananmen Square.

[legion]

It does, but I give the Iranians much higher chances of success. I keep hearing the number thrown around that 75% of the population of Iran is under 30--that means most of the population wasn't alive during the last revolution. They also have more access to foreign media than the Chinese had at the time, and they have a very recent example of what they want right next door...

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by legion

Who would have thought 8 years ago that Iraq would be a democracy and Iran was heading that way?

Was living in Berlin Germany before the Berlin Wall fell. We had NO IDEA that it was happening but a few weeks before started seeing changes that eventually led to the wall's demise. Still, almost no one predicted it happening.

This very well may be the same thing but personally I feel that it will take one more election (2 or 4 years in the future) before this situation comes fully to a head. Now that its started, its not been fully formed in the outlying areas of the country. Until this happens the "revolution" will not be able to fully encompass the country.

Never the less, we are watching history in the making with the events in Iran the last week.

[varmint]

iranian protestor holding up a sign. i'm told it threatens khameni with the same fate as saddam hussein.



the imagery coming out of teheran is incredible. the one of the girl bleeding to death will resound for ages.

[Tobra]

My prediction, a lot of dead young people.


Oh and this gets kicked to the dungeon, what do you like for the over/under, 7 pages?

[varmint]

Originally Posted by Tobra

My prediction, a lot of dead young people.


Oh and this gets kicked to the dungeon, what do you like for the over/under, 7 pages?

i say less than three.


it wouldn't be fair to bet. i could get it sent there in one post.

[Joeaksa]

Tobra,

Problem is that now the majority of the population is under 30 in Iran, and growing fast. There is simply no way that they can simply continue to look the other direction. This will eventually eat them alive, and not be kicked anywhere.

The young will overwhelm them someday and if that day is not this time, it will be the next election. They are tired of not being heard and having a say in their govt. This is one of the greatest legacies of Iraq, that they now see that a Moslem country can have a say in their own future.

[legion]

Freedom is a beautiful thing, but earning it is a gruesome task.

I wish the people of Iran luck.

The government of Iran can go to hell.

[GothingNC]

Originally Posted by legion

freedom is a beautiful thing, but earning it is a gruesome task.

I wish the people of iran luck.

The government of iran can go to hell.

x2

[BeyGon]

I just hope we can stay way, way, way out of this. No matter how this ends up, we could be the bad guys.

[legion]

Originally Posted by BeyGon

I just hope we can stay way, way, way out of this. No matter how this ends up, we could be the bad guys.

I disagree. The youth of Iran is largely secular and pro-US.

We could be the bad guys by not helping when the people of Iran expect us to.

[speeder]

A lot of good could come out of this. Let's just hope that not too many people die in the struggle. Unless of course they are Khoemeni(?) supporters. Those can die all they want.

[legion]

BeyGon, let me temper my above statement.

We should not get involved until an actual request is made.

But failure to get involved after we are asked to could be disastrous.

[BeyGon]

I just don't think they will ask or want us involved, Iran will never be the same no matter which way it turns out and I think no matter which way it turns out it will be better for us,
course I was wrong about who would run for the Republican party, who would run for the Democrats, and who would win. So,,,,,

[porsche4life]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Tobra,

Problem is that now the majority of the population is under 30 in Iran, and growing fast. There is simply no way that they can simply continue to look the other direction. This will eventually eat them alive, and not be kicked anywhere.

The young will overwhelm them someday and if that day is not this time, it will be the next election. They are tired of not being heard and having a say in their govt. This is one of the greatest legacies of Iraq, that they now see that a Moslem country can have a say in their own future.

Joe I think his "kicked to the dungeon" comment was in reference to how long before this ends up in the PARF dungeon.