drove the new camaro for a week...

[SpeedracerIndy]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

If you can find one, get a copy of the July Car & Driver issue. They did a comparison test. New SS Camaro, Challenger R/T, Mustang GT...2010 models. Easy issue to spot with it's big Red lettered cover blurb: MUSTANG WINS.

(edit) Then read the August R&T...Peter Egan writing glowingly about his 2009 Bullitt Mustang...

That's because Ford still has money left to buy off the magazines.

Just poking fun, as I can see you really like your Mustang. I've never driven one so I can't give an honest opinion compared to the Camaro/Challenger.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by SpeedracerIndy

I am tired of all the retro muscle cars, and still prefer european cars but it looks ok. But MAN DOES THIS THING DRAW ATTENTION! I spent the day driving through small midwest towns in IN and OH, and everyone stares, points, and asks questions. I probably got asked 10 times today "why didn't you get the V8?" I can see the draw of owning an iconic American car after driving this for a day. So much positive attention. I get a lot of looks and comments driving my 911 too, but I can't say they are all positive.

My T-Type Turbo got 1000x more attention and comments than my 928 does, and my 928 gets a lot.

People used to swerve into my lane while giving me enthusiastic double thumbs ups....

[Pazuzu]

There was a new black Camaro LS/RS sitting in the (secured) parking lot in my apartment. Still had paper tags, was less than 2 weeks old.
Went by it last week in the morning, and it was sitting on all 4 rotors. The rims might be worth something, but the lug nuts apparently aren't (they left them, how kind).
Maybe this weekend I'll get some snapshots of the Hennessy modified SS that's here in town.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

There was a new black Camaro LS/RS sitting in the (secured) parking lot in my apartment. Still had paper tags, was less than 2 weeks old.
Went by it last week in the morning, and it was sitting on all 4 rotors. The rims might be worth something, but the lug nuts apparently aren't (they left them, how kind).

Remind me not to come visit you in your side of town

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by red-beard

Remind me not to come visit you in your side of town

No one has been murdered in my complex.

The ones directly north and south...well, that's a different story.

[legion]

4 peopel have been murdered in my old apartment complex in Bloomington since I moved out. All former Chicago residents...

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by SpeedracerIndy

I might have to be buying an American car soon because of my job requirements, and this has my hopes high for the GM products. I just hope that if I do have to buy American, I can still get a hold of a G8-GT (or maybe GXP with 6 speed!).

Aye...the rub. Who knows what American iron will be around once Obama and his "green" car czar decide what can and cannot be made via the new CAFE and other standards? Had a big factor in our decision to buy a Mustang now. (almost said bite the Bullitt...but that would be obvious.)

Cindy came to me, after listening to a speech by Obama, and said: "If you're serious about wanting a V-8 American car, we'd better buy NOW!"

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by SpeedracerIndy

I might have to be buying an American car soon because of my job requirements, and this has my hopes high for the GM products. I just hope that if I do have to buy American, I can still get a hold of a G8-GT (or maybe GXP with 6 speed!).

There's a guy at work that has a debadged G8 GXP with a Holden front end. White with black aftermarket wheels and a sport exhaust, it's a damn good looking car.

[chapo]

i think its funny Porsche guys say the pony cars are bloated and big. Have you seen porsches current line up ? i think a lot of it has to do with safety features in new cars for all manufacturers.

[onewhippedpuppy]

In the case of the Challenger, it's because they based it on the same platform as the 300/Charger. Cheaper to build, but a coupe based on a sedan platform is bound to be large.

[techweenie]

I think you guys need to see a new Camaro and new Challenger side by side. Looks to me like they are really similar in all dimensions.

[SpeedracerIndy]

Originally Posted by chapo

i think its funny Porsche guys say the pony cars are bloated and big. Have you seen porsches current line up ? i think a lot of it has to do with safety features in new cars for all manufacturers.

Compared to my two cars that I am used to driving every day, it is enormous bloated and big. I tried pulling it into my garage where my Audi fits comfortably, and I could barley open the door to get out. My neighbor has a 996TT which I've driven many times, and it is enormous compared to that too. It just feels like a big car, where the 996 feels very nimble. I agree though that the safety features are a big reason these cars have grown so much. Having said that, it does handle its weight very well. I'm not disagreeing with you that newer Porsche's have become fat and bloated as well, but the Camaro is heavy and BIG. And there is hardly any room inside that thing. With the front seats adjusted so that I fit comfortably (and I'm only 5'8") there was about 2" of leg room in the back seats. The trunk was smaller than my 911's trunk, by a lot. I'm not sure where all the bloat hides. There must be a lot of dead space in the big hips and engine compartment

[Eric 951]

Here's a pic:

[rammstein]

I haven't had a chance to be inside a recent mustang. I got to drive an auto v-6 convertible a couple years back just after the redesign. I remember thinking that if it had a v8, a manual, and a serious suspension/brake upgrade it could be pretty mean.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by rammstein

I haven't had a chance to be inside a recent mustang. I got to drive an auto v-6 convertible a couple years back just after the redesign. I remember thinking that if it had a v8, a manual, and a serious suspension/brake upgrade it could be pretty mean.

See if you can finagle a ride in a Bullitt or a mildly modded GT...you might be surprised. I was.

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by tc-sacto

They will be in grand-am soon enough



Mustang already competes there

oh **** yeah is that cool!!!!!!

[rammstein]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

See if you can finagle a ride in a Bullitt or a mildly modded GT...you might be surprised. I was.

You offering?

[Garp]

Could somebody point out how much a reasonably loaded Camaro with the small engine would cost without state tax? I saw a Seattle and I must admit to be very seduced by its looks, also liked the Challenger (though they only seem to come in orange). Tx

[m21sniper]

About $20,000 probably.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by rammstein

You offering?

Sure...I'd give anybody a ride...well, almost.