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Holy nice 2011 Sonata
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09-02-2009, 07:28 AM
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They've come a long way from their beginnings in the 1980s with the Excel econobox POS...
Following the Japanese car company playbook - establish yourself in the target market for 15-20 years by selling reliable (albeit boring) cars, then roll out the ones that beat the domestics for design, price, performance, reliability, economy and everything else. While US manufacturers were busy rebodying pickup trucks and selling them for $20,000 more than they ever should have been with no "exit strategy" or plan to retool for the end of the SUV craze, the Japanese were working on things like this. No wonder they've whipped our asses.
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09-02-2009, 07:32 AM
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Hyundai's are certainly getting better looking. The Genesis for instance.
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09-02-2009, 07:32 AM
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That's a whale of a smile.
Like it just ate a Mercedes CLK
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09-02-2009, 07:35 AM
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Nah, it's a filter feeder.
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09-02-2009, 07:38 AM
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One thing that bugs me is having all that headlight plastic on the corner. From a practical standpoint, that's a bad idea (think of the part of a car that tends to get dinged/bonked into things). Scratching a fender is one thing. Busting a sealed-beam, $1500 headlight assembly is another.
I do give them props for the look though - I like it. Much better and more original than the "angry headlights" rubbish that everyone else seems to be resorting to these days.
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09-02-2009, 07:42 AM
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Buy a Hyundai and trade it in 5 years later for a toaster oven.
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09-02-2009, 07:43 AM
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Just like anything from Lexus and the Hyundai Genesis Sedan, the design is WAY too derrivative of Mercedes Benz.
Only BMW and Cadillac seem to be able to produce sub-$100k luxury car designs that aren't derrivative of MB. These will be sold to wanna-be 'ballers and rappers, and that's about it.
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They may have come a long way, but it still is what it is .
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Nope, he's talking about Hyundai's.
They probably have the worst resale value in history. Perhaps the Yugo's was worse, but that's about it. There are a ton of GMs that have an extremely high resale value, and will last for decades. Do i really need to post some examples? |
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The problem with Hyundai/Kia, and that other one, is that after that great warranty is expired, the cars are usually falling apart, and are exorbitantly expensive to repair. My experience up to now is that they are basically a throw away car that will have no real value within a few years of purchase, and hence become an appliance, throw it away, and get a new one.
I guess if that is what you want , drive it for 3- 5years, toss it and get new, then they are great. I do have to admit, the newer cars are pretty nice to drive, have nice interiors, fairly powerful and seem to be a well put together car , but not for me.
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OK, you got me with Daewoo. Kia is probably in the same boat too. But Hyundai is little (if any) better from a resale perspective.
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Porsche 914
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