Unloaded Open Carry in California...

ZOA NOM · ZOA NOM's Garage

Yup, it's legal to carry an unloaded, unconcealed weapon and ammo clips in public, in California. If this catches on, "must issue" CCW permits may be in the future for the Republik of Kalifornia. Stay tuned...

Bay Area group advocates open carry of unloaded guns - 1/05/10 - San Francisco News - abc7news.com

9dreizig · 01-06-2010, 09:12 PM

Saw that on the news last night.. Local police nazi's treated the guy like he was a terrorist...

Gogar · 01-06-2010, 09:35 PM

Hey, if someone calls the cops, they have to check it out. They checked it out, and were 'nice enough.'

aigel · aigel's Garage

I have not found any evidence that you can't have a gun rack in your truck with a rifle in it. It just can't be loaded and the ammo has to be separate from the gun.

George

m21sniper · 01-06-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ZOA NOM

Yup, it's legal to carry an unloaded, unconcealed weapon and ammo clips in public, in California. If this catches on, "must issue" CCW permits may be in the future for the Republik of Kalifornia. Stay tuned...

Bay Area group advocates open carry of unloaded guns - 1/05/10 - San Francisco News - abc7news.com

No chance. They'll just make open/unloaded illegal.

Porsche-O-Phile · Porsche-O-Phile's Garage

Go onto the forums at calguns.net. Every once in a while someone tries this and ends up getting their skull thumped by local L.E. as a result, which stirs up a hornets nest. Yes, it's one of those things that is technically legal, should be legal and probably should be challenged, but the reality is it's going to bring trouble upon you.

Personally I can see NO, ZERO reason to ever carry an unloaded gun. Stupid. It's only a way of advertising that you're looking for trouble and when it finds you (which it inevitably will), you'll be just as unarmed as some poor schlub with no gun at all.

An unloaded gun is a paperweight. You might as well throw it at someone's head. In a situation where a gun would be handy (CCW), the time it takes to draw, load, chamber and unsafe can easily make the difference between making a difference and getting killed.

I guarantee you, the bad guy's gun WILL be loaded.

Taz's Master · 01-07-2010, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Go onto the forums at calguns.net. Every once in a while someone tries this and ends up getting their skull thumped by local L.E. as a result, which stirs up a hornets nest. Yes, it's one of those things that is technically legal, should be legal and probably should be challenged, but the reality is it's going to bring trouble upon you.

Personally I can see NO, ZERO reason to ever carry an unloaded gun. Stupid. It's only a way of advertising that you're looking for trouble and when it finds you (which it inevitably will), you'll be just as unarmed as some poor schlub with no gun at all.

An unloaded gun is a paperweight. You might as well throw it at someone's head. In a situation where a gun would be handy (CCW), the time it takes to draw, load, chamber and unsafe can easily make the difference between making a difference and getting killed.

I guarantee you, the bad guy's gun WILL be loaded.

That's the point of conspicuously complying with the law. The public is not any safer by denying concealment permits. This illustrates the point that concealed carry permits won't endanger society. Basically open carry unloaded says: "the law already allows for gun owners to put the public in peril without safeguarding their person, permitting citizens to carry concealed will improve the safety of individuals and will not imperil society", maybe the public will get the message.

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

I've heard a large number of 911 calls in AZ are from KA transplants or visitors, calling in someone for open carrying. Of course, here we can open carry anything we can carry and always loaded. I saw a rifle on a motorcycle about a month ago. Maybe that idiot Frommer will promise to boycott CA now too.

jyl · jyl's Garage

Regardless of what message the open carry Californians "think" they are sending, the message that the public is getting is: gun owners are aggressive, scary, unbalanced people with small wee-wees.

If Californians want to send a positive message about guns, they should spend their effort on bringing someone who doesn't shoot, and a .22, to the range.

Not to mention the stupidity of parading around displaying a valuable and unloaded gun. The only reason these dolts are safe is because they are in suburban shopping malls and surrounded by police officers.

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

How does OC look like small dick compensation to anyone? I never got that. A few local groups have open carry dinners in Phoenix and Tucson once a month and restaurants compete for their business. There's no safer place in town than whatever restaurant is hosting the monthly OC dinner and everyone knows it. Never has been a problem at any of them. If I were into taking down public places, I'd definitely go after the ones with the gun buster signs (though I personally ignore those).

Tobra · Tobra's Garage

Respectfully John, that is utter nonsense

jyl · jyl's Garage

Seriously, Tobra, do you think that the average Californian, when she or he sees a man (who is obviously not a police officer) walking into the mall, or the diner, or the grocery store with a pistol strapped to his side, says to herself or himself: "now there goes a peaceable, reassuring, normal person"? If you do, then explain why that average Californian promptly calls 911 and asks for police help?

Rick, I'm talking about CA public reaction. I don't know what the typical Arizonian, if that is a word, thinks. I've never lived in AZ. And yes, of course the safest place to be is the restaurant hosting the weekly open-carry dinner. (Followed closely by the restaurant not hosting the weekly open carry dinner.)

varmint · 01-07-2010, 06:30 AM

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Regardless of what message the open carry Californians "think" they are sending, the message that the public is getting is: gun owners are aggressive, scary, unbalanced people with small wee-wees.

what would freud say about people who spend so much time speculating on/ and denigrating other men's genitalia? and adult's who call it a "wee wee"?

the problem i have is that there is nothing more useless than an unloaded gun. your essentially wandering around defenseless with a big valuable object gangbangers would REALLY love to steal.

looneybin · 01-07-2010, 08:07 AM

i was out in the orchards shooting "cans" & had my .44 holstered when the county deputy sheriff drove up to me.
he didn't have any problem with me having open carry, even with the gun loaded, (although he did undo the snap on his holster) all he did was check the # on the gun to make sure it wasn't stolen & checked my ID to make sure i wasn't a felon.
He only told me to pack up & leave as i was on private property.
I think if i wasn't trespassing, he would have shot some "cans" with me

GG Allin · GG Allin's Garage

Say you want to go to your local firing range. And say you don't own a car. How would a law abiding citizen get his gun(s) to the range? In a locked case? Isn't that consealed? And where would you put the ammo?

varmint · 01-07-2010, 08:26 AM

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Say you want to go to your local firing range. And say you don't own a car. How would a law abiding citizen get his gun(s) to the range? In a locked case? Isn't that consealed? And where would you put the ammo?

there is simply nothing written telling me how to carry a gun on a motorcycle. total grey area.

Burnin' oil · 01-07-2010, 08:27 AM

NRA-ILA sent me an e-mail recently about a proposed CCW "shall issue" bill in California. Wonder what the odds are of that passing . . .

By the way, the law in California regarding switchblades was recently changed by a court decision. It is now illegal to carry a switchblade in your home. You can possess a switchblade in your home, but you cannot carry it. FYI.

jyl · jyl's Garage

I haven't checked the CA laws in a few years. But my recollection is, if in a vehicle, weapon must be unloaded and in a part of the vehicle out of your immediate reach (trunk) or in a locked container (which can be in the passenger compartment). I don't recall if ammo has to be in a separate container. I carried my pistols in a locked case w/ ammo in a separate compartment of that case. Every shooting range I've been to will require guns to be carried in a case of some sort anyway, if you walk in with your pistol dangling from your hand or shoved in your pocket or riding on your belt, you will usually get kicked out. So, to answer the question, in CA you can carry your gun in a locked case on your motorcycle.

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Say you want to go to your local firing range. And say you don't own a car. How would a law abiding citizen get his gun(s) to the range? In a locked case? Isn't that consealed? And where would you put the ammo?

jyl · jyl's Garage

I don't know what Freud would say about the average Californian, sorry.

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Regardless of what message the open carry Californians "think" they are sending, the message that the public is getting is: gun owners are aggressive, scary, unbalanced people with small wee-wees.

what would freud say about people who spend so much time speculating on/ and denigrating other men's genitalia? and adult's who call it a "wee wee"?

the problem i have is that there is nothing more useless than an unloaded gun. your essentially wandering around defenseless with a big valuable object gangbangers would REALLY love to steal.

legion · 01-07-2010, 09:48 AM

I think John is absolutely correct about how many hoplophobes perceive gun owners. They view having a gun as an act of intimidation, not of providing for personal safety (unless carried by a body guard, secret service, or someone else they see as "qualified".)

These are people who think the skills to properly and safely handle a gun are out of the reach of the average person.