Just to clarify:

Assault: v. the threat or attempt to strike another, whether successful or not, provided the target is aware of the danger.

Battery: n. the actual intentional striking of someone, with intent to harm, or in a "rude and insolent manner" even if the injury is slight.

You were both assaulted and battered.

Dude, so +1.

Anyone head butts me and they're going to be spitting up chicklets.

snipe's answer IS BEST! FEELINGS? WE DONT HAVE NO STINKING FEELINGS!

SO THIS IS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE! time fer a SHELTER!

Shaun has to protect his business and letting LE handle this doesn't cost him any skin. I wouldn't toss the temp though, unless shes a screw up.

ya know the laws are kind of like iraq and afghan.........................


ya cant feek anyjuan up until hit or shot at.............................THEN YA CALL IN THE 155mm ARTY.....................B-52 STRIKES....................nuklar TOMO-HAWKS from subs offshore..................and the SNIPER TEAMS and vaporize their worthless ass!



and dont ferget .....................DEATH RAYS!

The guy assaulted him.

Any man that is more concerned about legalities than defending himself from assault is not a man at all.

+1

I disagree... Shaun did the smart, restrained thing in this situation. If he had beat the guy to a bloody pulp in front of one witness, the guy's girlfriend, how do you think that would have turned out for him?

If Shaun had given the guy what he deserved and the girlfriend had intervened and started beating on Shaun (as we know some women will), now it's two on one and Shaun is in a physical altercation involving his own employee. How do you think that would have turned out for him?

If anything, I think Shaun is more of a man for handling a potentially dangerous situation in a restrained, mature way. He kept his head... twice as valuable as fists any day of the week.

Well done Shaun, showing restraint.

That's why Shaun owns a business and you don't.

Sometimes a "man" has to keep his fists to himself for a better outcome. If you let your ego run your life, you won't get far. Well, unless you're in Hollywood...

+10 Sometimes being a man requires using your brains not your fist.

Now just fire the chick. There are dozens of people that will take the job and not drag freaky personal issues with them.

Wow...welcome to 2010...B.C.

I like to consider myself a restrained type of guy, but my father taught me, as soon as a man puts his hands on you start swinging until he is on the ground. Everything up until the headbutt would have been cool and professional.

On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with being a pacifist.

Shaun took the girl's way out.

As would you, apparently.

The wolf laughs at you sheep as he picks his teeth with your bones.

I've been in over 100 fist fights, no one has ever sued me or called the cops.

I was also self employed for many years.

Glad to see i'm not the only man here.

All this thread is telling me who here i could punch in the mouth and face no serious response.

Call the cops....lol.

I might not have hit him when he was headbutting me, but I would feel bad about not doing it. It's your business and your life, but from past experiences, as long as they touch you first you can take the shot.

good advice

I also agree with Beygone - he touches you, you take him out. I would not "punch him in the mouth" - there are better things to do.

That said, Shaun did not do that, and it is often better to avoid a fight if you can.

At this point, the issue is whether or not to get an RO and what to do about the temp/guy's gf. Safest thing is to fire her. Best thing might be to talk to her, tell her he is NOT to come on the property and that you got or are getting an RO against him. You might also inquire if she feels at all threatened by him. If she sounds like she might feel that (they often will not admit it for some time) she can go to a women's shelter or whatever your town/county has for that. The latter actions are if you feel safe, like her, and are public spirited, and I know you are the latter.

Good Luck, Shaun.

PS - never too late to take martial arts...

yes, in most states - dunno re Mass. In Oregon, this is the lowest level of assault and the police like to see a red mark on you (as proof).

If you are really angry you can also file a civil suit for damages, not just have the DA pursue a criminal suit.

Best thing is likely to just let the police handle it and it will likely stop with a nice talk from the officer to this guy.

.....or Philadelphia.:D

I'm not going to enter the debate regarding what Shaun should or should not have done. I wasn't there, and neither were most of you.

But.....based on what I've read here, I would certainly carry a loaded gun for a while. I estimate the likelihood of this fruitcake coming back into the picture at least 50/50. At least. And I would start with the assumption he is armed, dangerous and arriving with bad intent. If Shaun acted properly by peacefully retiring the situation today, if this guy reappears, it would be foolish for Shaun to show the slightest hesitation. If you see this guy again Shaun, and if one of his hands disappears from your sight, he needs to be looking down a barrel.

Dont disagree with that.

PPOT is getting soft, this is the second time i catch you lot failing to ask the obvious.

1 Is she hot
2 where's the pic.

Again, y'all are going soft in the noggin' , don't know why
booze, drugs, general lack of effort, whatever, i just call it like i see it, and i say y'all are getting soft.

+10

If he comes back it will not be to apologize.

It's real easy to post on an internet forum that you would have kicked that guy's ass. It's another thing entirely when you are put in the situation and you don't have a keyboard to protect you.

Shaun could have kicked the guy's ass. OR, he might have ended up in the hospital, and then got sued for everything he owns. Calling the cops is the right thing to do.

Not everybody is "likes to fight guy". I can do it, but I really hate it.

No, I would have decked the guy and kept on hitting until he was down. Where you and I differ is that I know Shaun was the better man for his show of restraint.

You should have threw his a$$ down the stairs ....and then call the cops:D

Then bang his girl , video it and send it to him ,

+ 1
Your life isn't worth much if you judge yourself and your manhood by whom you can beat up/shoot/run over with a 4x4. Shaun did the right thing.

I think Shaun showed proper restraint in this case. As much as I believe in defending yourself when you feel threatened, you where are at your place of business and this was a "lose/lose" proposition for you. Unless you felt threatened and needed to defend yourself from bodily harm, best to walk away and call the police. My guess is that this idiot wanted to pull you into a physical confrontation so that he could have turned it into a lawsuit. As a business owner and mature adult, you come would ahve come out of this on the short end even if you kicked his ass. Just not worht the risk, IMO
I would call the police just to get it on record just in case he does reappears looking for a confrontation.

Now before sniper calls me "puzzy":D, I should point out that I did grow up in Philly, in an area and that we all knew and understood the "code". I have been in plenty of "tussles" in my younger years over someone "touching me" or "disrespecting me" so I certainly understand the natural reaction of "kicking ass" when placed in these types of situations. But I always remember the advice my father would give his sons about fighting. "Walk away today so you can fight another day". I had a hard time with his advice when I was young buck looking to protect my rep but his point was simple; be selective when you choose to use your fists and always weigh the consequences that will occur afterwards. As I stated earlier, I grew up in an area in Philly that could would be "consequences" if you picked the wrong guy to fight. When I was young, it didn't matter nor did I care so I was quick to "throw down" to resolve most issues or protect my rep. As I got older and hopefully more wiser his advice made more sense. Back in the old days men could settle a dispute with a fair fight, unfortunatley in todays world,its more likely one or both will pull out a weapon to settle a score or "lawyer up"for some compensation. IMO, just not worth the risk of being sued or killed. I give my son the same advice my father gave me and hopefully it guilds him to avoid most physical confrontations unless absolutely necessary and minimizes te consequences that come with these types of decisions. Always wiegh the potential consequences before you act as some could be life changing experences.
One last thought, get rid of the temp, the fact that she brought that type of element into your place of business doesn't warrant keeping her around.

Snipe.... you're losing it buddy?

Shaun did the right thing; I wouldn't of called the cops as its a waste of time imo. Glad it worked out for you though and having a good relationships with the boys in blue cant hurt.
You need to focus on your deadline tomorrow and not some punk kid that wants into your space. Let it go and move your focus beyond.

If he looks or appears tougher than you, then OK give him a wack, but if not, just handle the situation like you did; which is prolly the case. Last guy that took a swing at me I just grabbed him in a second flat and threw him on the ground with all I could muster. He got up and took another swing, so I repeated the same only this time landing on top of him with my knee in his back and his arm wrenched behind him and said to him, you dont want to F with me. He was younger and tougher, but I was older and wiser.

All that failing, call Denis and get the boy beotch slapped by the pro.

Hmm, well let's see.
Shaun invited him into his place or the invite was implied.
If Shaun felt threatened, he's supposed to call the cops and let them deal with it. He cannot FORCIBLY remove someone from his place. That's the cops job.
If Shaun DID strike the guy, the guy could press charges. It then becomes a he said/ she said. Everyone loses but Shaun loses more as a business owner.

I don't like it but that's the way the law works.
Had a similar situ happen to me and I dropped the guy. Cops damn near arrested ME!

Shaun did the right thing. Going forward, if douche nozzle shows up again, Shaun can protect himself as needed and the cops will believe his story.

EXACTLY.

The guy assaulted him!

This is absolutely clear cut self defense.

It is no wonder we live in a world full of victims given the responses in this thread by most. I am sorry, but most of you are women disguised as sheep. I would eat broken glass before i would let someone head butt me on my own property(or anywhere else, for that matter).

I am absolutely certain that Angela would agree.

Honestly, i'd rather have her in my fox hole than most of the "men" in this thread. (and i am talking about her ability to fight, not just because she's a stone cold hottie in every measure of the word)

And now?

imho anyone who has been in "over 100 fist fights" has issues and frankly is making some very bad choices. But if it works for you...

...and all pitbullz should be euthanized,
...pro abortion,
...pro clubbing baby seals,
...anti American Idol.


Figured I'd add some grease to this dumpster fire :D

Why am i not self employed? 2 of my biggest accounts retired/closed shop, and my biggest account gave his accounts to his relative.

This all happened in a matter of 2 months.

At that point it was easier and more lucrative just to work for a big repo firm, which is what i did.

Todd you don't survive in the neighborhood i grew up in as one of the smallest guys in a mixed race melting pot unless you are willing to throw down at a moment's notice.

I've also had to fight numerous times as a bartender or member of a club security staff, as well as having had to fight off more than a few assaults over the years on the job.

That covers at least 1/2 of the fights i've been in, and not a single one of them were by choice.

And then there were the bar fights in the military when we ran into marines or gun bunnies that wanted to run their mouth about the US Army infantry.

We come from extremely divergent worlds Todd. Your attitude wouldn't last 5 minutes in the neighborhood i grew up in. Honestly.

Anti American Idol? Aren't you getting carried away?

I'd have ripped his tongue out and shoved it in his ear. In the first half-second. Then, while he's stunned by the surprise, I'd have broken both femurs and both humerus', so I could more easily tie him in a knot. Then I'd have hooked him up to a chain and dragged him behind my Harley to the nearest biker bar, where I'd introduce him to "Hairy and the Hendersons." At the end of the night, I'd have shot him dead and made it look like an accident.

I've been in THOUSANDS of fistfights. Most of them against 10+ guys. Won them all. Easily.

Hey man, we aint all superman!!!

Most people i've ever fought at once was 5. Bad odds for men of flesh. :D

perfect. ;)
you get in life what you want

if you really, really, really want something, you'll get it.
if you really, really, really dont want something, you'll get it too.
learn to focus on what you want.

Ha, I fought about 6 or 7 once; they waited for me to come out of my workplace and then they kicked the crap outa me. I was about 17. Funny, I think I enjoyed it?

I can honestly say i used to love to fight when i was younger. I didn't care if i lost, as long as i got enough of a piece of the other guy to make sure he'd remember me.

In my hood you fought to show you weren't a biitch.

Turning the other cheek or calling the cops made things a thousand times worse for you in my hood, and it still does in hoods all across America every day.

Talking to the cops is considered extremely dishonorable among the natives in these locales.