With All This Talk About Bears...

[ODDJOB UNO]

r2d2esq.............set ya up again! man you are a SUCKER for abuse!



yeah yeah tell me all about shot placement and how ya drill em in the eye, and they drop, while ya walk on water w/louis and monte the sun kings.



shot placement doesnt mean POO! its all about how soon the animal wants to DIE!



and QUITE A FEW JUST DONT WANNA DIE despite the perfect textbook shot placement.



to use my lowly 57# pound java-leaner(java-ja-leen-a) on my wall as an example, that bastid took (3) .308's and (2) .357 rds before he went down. ALL TEXTBOOK BREADBASKET SHOTS w/the exception of the last .357 rd into the head at point blank range!



a textbook PERFECT shot does not GURR-RRANTEE yer survival.



DISTANCE is your friend.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by ODDJOB UNO

r2d2esq.............set ya up again! man you are a SUCKER for abuse!



yeah yeah tell me all about shot placement and how ya drill em in the eye, and they drop, while ya walk on water w/louis and monte the sun kings.



shot placement doesnt mean POO! its all about how soon the animal wants to DIE!



and QUITE A FEW JUST DONT WANNA DIE despite the perfect textbook shot placement.



to use my lowly 57# pound java-leaner(java-ja-leen-a) on my wall as an example, that bastid took (3) .308's and (2) .357 rds before he went down. ALL TEXTBOOK BREADBASKET SHOTS w/the exception of the last .357 rd into the head at point blank range!



a textbook PERFECT shot does not GURR-RRANTEE yer survival.



DISTANCE is your friend.

Right on schedule, as usual, oddnutjob.

Poor shot placement is the number one cause of a hunter making the beasty into a supernatural critter. I can just hear the BS you tell visitors about your "just-would-not-die" little wild pig. That kill is nothing I would boast about!

Care to answer the question I posed, super duper bear expert?


Look up Bell and let us know if all of his animals were just ready to die.

Skill is your friend, distance is for wankers.

[RWebb]

re Grizzly speed - I'm told 40 to 45 mph over broken ground - don't recall seeing it in the literature however.

I also want to highlight this:

you will be AMAZED at how small of a window of opportunity you have to hit his vitals and drop him before he tears you [up]

In mammalogy class lab, I used to demo a Griz skull and a model of a Sherman tank, so the future Game & Fish employees could think - hard - about their likelihood of staying alive after shooting a grizzly "right between the eyes."

[id911T]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

Keep staring. You need all the "study time" for sure.

Alaskan and Canadian Native people drop these and bigger bears all the time with pip-squeak rounds like the .32-40 Winchester, .38-55 Winchester, .25-35 Winchester, .30-30 Winchester, and .32 Winchester Special.

They seem to have very little problem doing this. The death and injury from bears is not very high and that is from a population that lives side by side with them.

Do you have any idea what the smallest caliber used in a frontal one shot kill on a charging Grizzly Bear was?

Making these animals into something they are not, is just boastful crowing. Your example of the multiple hit by a .300 mag is nothing more than poor shooting. Remember having a weapon and being able to use it efficently are two distinctly different issues.

Get educated. The so called "pip-squeak" .38-55, 30-30, and 32 Win Spl cartridges actually have more energy than the .357, .44, and .454 mentioned by oddjob, and aren't that far behind the .460 and .500

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by id911T

Get educated. The so called "pip-squeak" .38-55, 30-30, and 32 Win Spl cartridges actually have more energy than the .357, .44, and .454 mentioned by oddjob, and aren't that far behind the .460 and .500

Get the ability to follow a discussion.

I am well aware of the ballistics and energy. My post was a direct response to oddnutjobs talk about the bear that would not die when hit with repeated .300 Winchester magnum rounds.

[id911T]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

Get the ability to follow a discussion.

I am well aware of the ballistics and energy. My post was a direct response to oddnutjobs talk about the bear that would not die when hit with repeated .300 Winchester magnum rounds.

And yet you quoted a post that made no mention of said .300 Win Mag, and instead contained reference to the .357, .44, and .454.


Very effective

Get the ability to have a discussion

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by id911T

And yet you quoted a post that made no mention of said .300 Win Mag, and instead contained reference to the .357, .44, and .454.


Very effective

Get the ability to have a discussion

Ahhh. So that is your problem.

Failure to read through a thread before making a stupid comment.

Very insightful.

Get the attention span required to read more than a few words at a time and be able to remember what you have read.

[p911dad]

da Bears?? what about da Bears?? Buffalo gonna git it again!

[Zeke]

I'd love to see all youz guys in a paint ball match.


With dye in the balls. Put some equity in the game.

[Jim Bremner]

Some creatures that are shot with deadly placement and WILL bleed out in a very short time do not realize that they should be dead.

Creatures have both 4 or 2 legs.

[Jeff Higgins]

There is a big difference between a "killing" shot on game vs. a "disabling" (or "stopping") shot on game. Even Bell, armed with his ".275 Rigby" (really the 7mm Mauser) preferred lung shots on elephant. They would wander off and eventually die without disturbing the rest of the herd. He could shoot a good number of them that way as long as he went undetected.

Bell was also the master of the "stopping" shot, reportedly having an uncanny ability to visualize the location of the elephant's brain inside that massive skull and hit it from any angle. His little 7mm was more than adequate when coupled with his knowledge of elephant physiology and ability to remain calm and make good hits under intense pressure. Bell well understood that the only real "stopping" shot was to some component of the central nervous system, either the brain or the spinal cord.

Folks confuse a "stopping shot" with "stopping power". Able to succeed at the former, one does not need the latter. Any properly designed bullet, regardless of size or kinetic energy, so long as it has adequate penetration to reach the brain or spine will stop any animal in its tracks. Where we would like to have the latter at our disposal is simply when there is some doubt as to being able to succeed at the former.

John "Pondoro" Taylor probably expounded upon the "stopping rifle" and "stopping power" more than anyone before or since. He even went as far as to assign "knockout" values to all popular sporting calibers with standard bullets. This "Taylor Knockout Value" relates to the likelihood of stunning an elephant, and how long said elephant is likely to remain stunned, with a non-lethal frontal head shot. When you miss the brain. This is the value and purpose of the big "stopping" rifles - to buy time under less than ideal circumstances of either time, distance, or more likely both. Stagger the bastard until you can finish him. Not as elegant as Bell's precise approach, but this world hasn't seen many men of his ability.

And yes, more bear have fallen to native hunters armed with the little "triple deuce" the old .222 Remington, or the .223 Remington, or the venerable .30-30 than all of our big magnums combined. These guys are patient, experts in the physiology of their quarry, and fully understand concept of "it's the Indian, not the arrow". A hit behind the ear, from close range, with a .222 trumps a muffed too high or too far back broadside shot taken by a "hunter" in the next province blazing away with his latest .338 Eargeschplitzenloudenboomer.

[Vonzipper]

i know this has been posted before, i think it fits in well


YouTube - Lion attack hunting safari Africa

[sammyg2]

That buffalo needs a really big mastiff

[Geronimo '74]

Originally Posted by ODDJOB UNO

r2d2esq.............set ya up again!
.

You seem to have the urge to do this constantly. It gets quite boring.
My guess is you have a secret crush on RPKESQ.
Just come clean, you'll feel much better...

[Geronimo '74]

Originally Posted by milt

I'd love to see all youz guys in a paint ball match.


With dye in the balls. Put some equity in the game.

+1000!!!!

and put an end to this childish bickering.

[varmint]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

Get the ability to follow a discussion.

I am well aware of the ballistics and energy. My post was a direct response to oddnutjobs talk about the bear that would not die when hit with repeated .300 Winchester magnum rounds.

true to form, gets called on his bull****, and responds with a "you're too dumb to understand me" post.


at any given moment there are 3-5 brown bear in my new neighborhood. so this topic has come up.

i'm not talking about hunting. i'm talking about the nightmare scenario of taking the trash out and coming around a corner to see a sow twenty feet away. one neighbor carries a .454 casull. the other a .500 smith and wesson. but realistically a fisherman got mauled up past nikiski two months ago, and never had time to draw. another bear slashed a couple bicyclists up near hope. most likely it wasn't an attack. they were just in the way.

it's established that you can blast a bear in the back of the head from 200 yards and he will drop. in my search to find a handgun guaranteed to stop one charging ten feet away the general consensus is that there is no such thing.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by varmint

true to form, gets called on his bull****, and responds with a "you're too dumb to understand me" post.

OK, so you are another one who has trouble following a thread. It really isn't that hard. But "you're too dumb to understand me", is probably all that you commonly hear from people. You would think you would be used to it by now.

Originally Posted by varmint

it's established that you can blast a bear in the back of the head from 200 yards and he will drop. in my search to find a handgun guaranteed to stop one charging ten feet away the general consensus is that there is no such thing.

I hope it did not take you more than 5 minutes to discover this amazing fact. It is well known to many of us.

So you used to complain how dangerous living in Hollywood was (not that you got anyone to believe you), now you'll start telling us about the big old bears walking down your street.

Unbridled fear is nothing to boast about.

[varmint]

saw a bear the other day. he had your DD214 in his mouth.

[look 171]

wow, from hollywood to Canada?

RPKESQ,

up until 5 years ago, certain part of Hollywood was dangerous. Really dangerous. Its a little better now.

[GH85Carrera]

Bears ain't that tough!