and I'll be keepin' my pimp hand strong. :D

It strikes me that this particular little discussion (wow, an actual discussion on PARF?!) requires a bit of definition of terms:

The word 'stereotype' is not, by definition, pejorative; it can, however, and often is, used in a pejorative manner.

The word 'prejudge' is always pejorative.

Someone or something can, in fact, fit the stereotype of a person or thing having a generally accepted common set of characteristics. There are stereotypical bullies and there are stereotypical small displacement, English type roadsters - if, they both fit their stereotypes.

To call someone or something stereotypical of something is totally acceptable - if they in fact are.

To define someone or thing as stereotypical, without knowing all the facts about that person or thing is prejudicial, i.e., passing judgement without having all the facts and that is never the right thing to do, by any moral standard.

So I propose that, if drc and scoe agree with the above, they each be specific when using the word 'stereotypical', i.e., define the stereotype that they are accusing someone of being stereotypical of. Since stereotypes are comprised of a number of characteristics, then specific characteristics can be discussed. Blanketing a person with a stereotype doesn't tend to generate questions; it just tends to generate ire.

I'm stereotyped by many on this board as a liberal. But that's a totally inadequate description because I'm of a liberal bent concerning some things and yet am basically fiscally conservative. I can be discussing some fiscal issue with somebody and come upon a point of disagreement, and even if the disagreement is worthy of discussion between two people who are both fiscally conservative, the other person may bring the discussion to a screeching halt by saying, Of course you would like to argue with me on that point, you're a liberal!

In my opinion, that sort of thing is happening every day between Democrats and Republicans - and that's why we've come to a screeching halt and everyone is angry and unhappy, on top of which, many absolutely refuse to consider any degree or form of compromise as anything other than losing to the enemy.

I ate too much and all my longwindedness puts me in peril of falling off my soap box, so I'll just STFU for now and hope what I just blathered on and on about has some positive effect on prolonging, what I think might be, a productive discussion that doesen't devolve into anger, name calling and shut-down, as it most often does.

G'night SmileWavy

Very well put Darsic. An apt description of both the path of some of the threads here, and the unproductive impasse this thinking has led to, both in our civic discourse and the political process.
How do you see us moving thru this situation both as a Porsche loving community, and as a country? Your efforts at clarifying terms and cooling the passions here are a good step. Thanks, Ive been thinking along these same lines a good bit lately and do appreciate your clear comments.

Cheers Richard

Huh!

Good idea...BTW, I like Marvin Gaye particularly the 1970s "Whats Going On" album. However, I am a Jazz man at heart ...Armstrong,Parker,Davis,Coltrane...true pure improvisation and one of the few "true American Art forms"... Funny,I had a debate with a friend recently and I offered improvisation as one example of culture that survived the middle passage. there are many more.

Are you mentally challenged? Have someone competent sit with you and explain it as you slowly read it aloud. It's a clearly written statement.

You people, we people I suppose, since apparently I am one of the right wing oppressors, best watch our step.

There is a new Sheriff in town; apparently he is a liberal Democrat from the windy city who is here to take care of "you people," sorry, "us people."

You talk plenty, but sure don't say much for someone with all that accumulated wisdom.

that would probably be you... right:rolleyes: I'll pass, as usual

Wait, Enzo is mentally challenged?


I would have never guessed.

Darsic,

My point exactly.

In one post I referenced an area (the Hood) a group (gang bangers) and an activity (illegal gun sales) as a comparison to a place (Walmart) a group (law abiding citizens) and an activity (legal gun sales). Had I made the statement that all "those people" who live in the hood are gang banging drug dealers. Scoe911 would be justified in his position. Here is my stereotype. He focused in on one part of the paragraph took it out of context and tried to vilify a person stating I stereotyped. Typical of a liberal democrat.

In an other post I made where I reference several activities across a wide range of interests. Again he isolates one activity and again tries to vilify me. Stating I am stereotyping. Typical of a liberal democrat.

I haven't made a statement toward him or anyone (other then Congresswoman Gifford). Nearly everything I stated to scoe911 was in the form of a question to extract more information from him. I am beginning to develop a profile of the mind I am dealing with. I don't know all his life experiences for him to develop the attitude he has. But, what I do know about him at this time is "some people, those people, us people" have told him he would never buy a Porsche and he has developed anger and perhapse prejudice toward "those people" and wants to "take them all on and bring them down".

In contrast he has developed an opinion of me being one of "those types" and "people like me" try and keep him down, based on what? The fact I don't think the government is any good at efficiently spending my money? Because I categorized rap concerts along with several other activities as having a high propensity of violence and that the "hood" has "gang bangers" and "illegal gun sales"?

So who stereotyped who ans directed anger toward the other?

Interestingly I think this thread may have just swung back to the topic. Scoe911 do you own a gun? Do you take it to Rap concerts or on the trading floor? In what manner did you obtain it?

scoe911,

I'm not big on jazz I have tried to like it. It just doesn't do anything for me. But Motown, Hitsville USA. Awesome. I love Dianna, the Supremes, Smokey, Marvin, the Temptations and so many more. Great music.

drcoastline, is this an example of the different point of view which you speak of? Are you saying I should accept this nonsense? I'm not saying this is you, but this guys way of thinking is just plain sad. Here's something to think about silverwhaletail. Try and imagine this country without the countless contributions of the very people you try to marginalize.

Scoe911,

To quote you Silverwhaletail "can defend himself."

YOU stereotyped me. Now defend your position.

EDIT: what was it you said? I insight ire?

My position is that people shouldn't have to "pay" to assemble. That unemployment is in fact "insurance." That insight is better or more credible if firsthand. Finally, that true philanthropy is from the heart without consideration...I dont feel I have to defend that which is self explantory...

At least I don't have to resort to petty insults to express my point of view. With February fast approaching I think my mission will be to educate some of "you people"...stay tuned Tobra...

he's not marginlizing..
but simply aware off the odd's ..
you deal with $$ daily..
he deals with folks we try avoid when possible..
I'm sure he's been proven wrong and accepts that..
sadly..I'm sure he's often right..

Rika

Rika , I hear you man ,but guys like this I just don't understand...its just a way of looking at the worst in people.

This thread should be closed.

OK, yet again go back and read, slow down and read my posts. don't be so ready to turn somebody into your enemy. Where did I say anyone should pay to assemble? Where did I try and take YOUR right to assemble away? where did I try and keep YOU "us" down? My suggestion was an attempt to try and make your or anyones assembly reasonably safe. So some nut job who disagrees with your view doesnt "make it his lifes purpose" to come and mow you down. Or that if some jealous boyfriend in a club decides he is going to take out the guy who looked at his girl the wrong way doesnt start firing and kill your sister who has nothing to do with the incident. Is my idea perfect no. But if you go back and read everything my entire objective is to keep from placing additional laws and additional restrictions on the public while trying to keep them safe.

I let you go on your last insurance rant. But trust me you don't want to go head to head with me on insurance. Unemployment insurance is NOT "true" insurance. what it is, is another government forced program and again not administered efficiently.

I agree first hand knowledge is always best. Lacking that (and you don't know what my first hand knowledge is) it is possible to draw an accurate conclusion without first hand knowledge regarding a particular event, area, place what have you. I have never been to Baghdad but I can conclude it is not a place I would want to take my family on vacation. I have never been to the South Pole but I can conclude it is cold and I probably should wear more than a windbreaker. I have never drowned but I can conclude if my head is under water long enough I will drown. I have never blown my fingers off with a fire cracker but I can conclude I shouldnt hold it while it is lit. I don't have first hand knolwedge of any of those but I can make reasonable conclusions.

Lastly, yes philanthropy is from the heart a will and a desire to help. I am not sure I understand what "with out consideration..." is supposed to mean. Paying taxes isn't philanthropy. I can also tell you I have no will or desire to paying 40% or greater of what I earn in taxes and seeing the amount of waste and corruption associated with the programs and government disgusts me. Those that need the help are not getting the bulk of the money.

Why?, when we are having so much fun making this union more "perfect".