Consolidated Tablet Thread

[gr8fl4porsche]

The bluetooth cases with keyboards help with the input issue. The downside of the keyboard case is size and weight which become similar to a light notebook. The tablets such as the iPad, which never need booting, is what makes them so useful to have laying around the house.

My iPad is used around the house continually by someone. The desktop PC's need a good dusting.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by red-beard

Acutally, typing on the smaller tablets is pretty good. You hold it with 6 fingers, support it with your pinkies and then type with your thumbs. The larger tablets (10") the keyboard distance is too great for the thumb typer, unless you turn it sideways.

Good to hear... I won't have to worry about my cats messing with my tablet...

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

Good to hear... I won't have to worry about my cats messing with my tablet...

They have built in precision pointers...

[Tennessee911]

Bought an iPad one at walmart in March for $399 and a Verizon mifi
for $25.

Great on vacation but buying digital versions of Total 911 and GT Porsche for $4.95 each was my decider.

[AirKuhl]

For those that are torn between the raw functionality of the latest Android tablets and the clean styling of the iPad2, here's your tablet:

Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 Limited Edition review -- Engadget

It looks like the army of Android system developers are finally starting to separate the wheat from the chaff and create some cutting edge products. I can't wait to see the NVIDIA quad-core based tablets that should start showing up towards the end of the year. Should have styling like this or better while giving you modern laptop level performance.

[Mr.Puff]

Originally Posted by AirKuhl

For those that are torn between the raw functionality of the latest Android tablets and the clean styling of the iPad2, here's your tablet:

Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 Limited Edition review -- Engadget

It looks like the army of Android system developers are finally starting to separate the wheat from the chaff and create some cutting edge products. I can't wait to see the NVIDIA quad-core based tablets that should start showing up towards the end of the year. Should have styling like this or better while giving you modern laptop level performance.

Neat!

I hope iOS gets to the point where it can replace a computer. We just need a consolidated documents folder, some app tweaks, and the ability to plug it into some kind of time capsule dock. Before it came out I was thinking heavily about an Axiotron Modbook.

[Mr.Puff]

Originally Posted by gr8fl4porsche

The bluetooth cases with keyboards help with the input issue. The downside of the keyboard case is size and weight which become similar to a light notebook. The tablets such as the iPad, which never need booting, is what makes them so useful to have laying around the house.

My iPad is used around the house continually by someone. The desktop PC's need a good dusting.

Have you considered Zagg?

[island911]

Originally Posted by Mr.Puff

... Before it came out I was thinking heavily about an Axiotron Modbook.

See, now THAT (imo) is worthwhile. ...but obviously wouldn't appeal to the many consumers who imagine the $500 iPad meeting all of their computing needs. :-/

All of these 'phone OS pads' (w/o the phone) simply annoy. (android or Mac) ...they bring up hope . . .and . . ah, crap. really? ..that's it?

Either put a phone in it, or put a real OS in.. sheesh.

[AirKuhl]

Originally Posted by island911

See, now THAT (imo) is worthwhile. ...but obviously wouldn't appeal to the many consumers who imagine the $500 iPad meeting all of their computing needs. :-/

All of these 'phone OS pads' (w/o the phone) simply annoy. (android or Mac) ...they bring up hope . . .and . . ah, crap. really? ..that's it?

I don't really know anyone who thinks that tablets are replacements for traditional computers. But they might do 90% of what you need most of the time.

We seem to be headed on a one-to-many path. You used to own one desktop computer that did everything. Then you added a laptop for mobility. Then they got cheap enough to buy one for your wife and kids.

Pretty soon you'll have tablets sitting on end tables and coffee tables around the house, another dedicated tablet magnetically clipped to the fridge for recipes and grocery lists, maybe one out in the garage for parts and instructions, our cell phones are more powerful than desktop computers a few years ago, etc.

[jyl]

Yeah. The vast majority of people have no need to view, much less create, Excel files on their tablet. There is a market for tablets that do everything a PC will do, but to date it is a tiny market, as proved by the miniscule unit sales of those machines.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by jyl

Yeah. The vast majority of people have no need to view, much less create, Excel files on their tablet. There is a market for tablets that do everything a PC will do, but to date it is a tiny market, as proved by the miniscule unit sales of those machines.

Compared to the iPad and the Android Tablets, sure. I know that HP was surprised since they received more orders on day 1 for their Win 7 tablet than they ever expected to produce. I think the number is around 50K in 6 months. That is a LOT of Windows machines. But less than 1% of the iPad and iPad II

My issues with the iPad are:

1. Missing features (built in SD card port, flash, etc)
2. General issue that it is not stand alone
3. The Price

I have seen the iPad and it is very very nice. And I understand part of what makes it just plain work is the control over every detail Apple has. But that isn't for me.

I love this Galaxy Tab. The size is better. The build quality. The fact that it has NEVER been connected to a PC. But it is missing features that would allow me to use it as a stand alone machine. But it is great for e-mail, web surfing and the little "apps" I've put on it.

[jyl]

The Samsung Galaxy Tab has probably sold about 2-3MM units in the appx 6 months since introduction, though some of that is channel-stuffing, not actual retail sales. I think it is the most successful of the non-AAPL tablets, so far. The RIM Playbook has supposedly sold 250K units in the first month. The Motorola Xoom has reportedly sold about 500K units in the couple months since introduction, will soon be considered a flop. The companies in the Android tablet ecosystem are now starting to talk about why the initial round of Android tablets have not been successful, and about why the next round will turn the tide. Reasons cited include too-high prices, requiring carrier contracts, pre-Honeycomb O/S, etc, We've talked about being able to pick up liquidation Android tablets with good hardware specs including Tegra 2 processors for $100 by 2H11, and I think that is going to happen.

[porsche4life]

Can't get this for any of the other tablets... iPad FTW

ThinkGeek :: iCADE - iPad Arcade Cabinet

[jyl]

Kindle sold about 7-8MM units in 2010, most estimates are 15MM-ish in 2011, AMZN doesn't disclose hardware units but does disclose eBook sales that are zooming (running +300% from last year, selling more eBooks than print books). Kindle is now $114 and likely breaks the $100 point for holidays.

Nook Color reportedly sold 1MM units over the holidays and maybe 2MM so far this year. Some number of the Nooks are being rooted.

So, actually, you could argue Kindle is the most successful non-AAPL tablet with the Galaxy Tab tied with the Nook Color. The advantage of the ereaders is that they have a recurring revenue model (ebook sales) so they can be sold at cost.

Basically the 2011 tablet market currently looks something like AAPL at 50-60MM units, Kindle at 15MM, Nook maybe 4MM - and everyone else fighting over 5MM to 15MM depending on where you are on the pessimist-optimist scale.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by jyl

Kindle sold about 7-8MM units in 2010, most estimates are 15MM-ish in 2011, AMZN doesn't disclose hardware units but does disclose eBook sales that are zooming (running +300% from last year, selling more eBooks than print books). Kindle is now $114 and likely breaks the $100 point for holidays.

Nook Color reportedly sold 1MM units over the holidays and maybe 2MM so far this year. Some number of the Nooks are being rooted.

So, actually, you could argue Kindle is the most successful non-AAPL tablet with the Galaxy Tab tied with the Nook Color. The advantage of the ereaders is that they have a recurring revenue model (ebook sales) so they can be sold at cost.

Basically the 2011 tablet market currently looks something like AAPL at 50-60MM units, Kindle at 15MM, Nook maybe 4MM - and everyone else fighting over 5MM to 15MM depending on where you are on the pessimist-optimist scale.

That is an amazing size market. You cannot fault Apple for its success.

[island911]

Originally Posted by AirKuhl

...
Pretty soon you'll have tablets sitting on end tables and coffee tables around the house, ....

Pretty soon? Sounds like the past 6 years at my house.

. . .which I suppose is why I'm so disappointed with so many of the Walmart-ish tablets.

I also expected better tablet/cellular integration by now.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by AirKuhl

Pretty soon you'll have tablets sitting on end tables and coffee tables around the house, another dedicated tablet magnetically clipped to the fridge for recipes and grocery lists, maybe one out in the garage for parts and instructions, our cell phones are more powerful than desktop computers a few years ago, etc.

I don't think my wife would put up with that...

Originally Posted by island911

Pretty soon? Sounds like the past 6 years at my house.

. . .which I suppose is why I'm so disappointed with so many of the Walmart-ish tablets.

I also expected better tablet/cellular integration by now.

I am a little bit disappointed with my HP Slate, in that I would think that HP and/or Microsoft would make a sub-interface for the Tablet, using Win 7. I'd call it a "skin" which would make touch screen a lot easier. It would be a lot less difficult than speech recognition. You would need to make the buttons and menus fatter.

Anyway. Nothing is perfect. Nothing.

[island911]

Originally Posted by red-beard

... Win 7.... would need to make the buttons and menus fatter.

Anyway. Nothing is perfect. Nothing.

At least your HP has the nice stylus for precise cursor control and palm-hit rejection. But yeah, for finger-touch (Cap-sense) that's rather crude for the small fields w/in Windows. ...of course you can increase the size of those windows fields . ..but that wastes screen real estate. (yes, nothing is perfect)

fwiw, quite a few of the older Windows tablets have stylus-selectable buttons along the bezel. ...which are usually user-programmable. My Old Samsung has a user-programmable D-pad, which is super useful. Also, it uses a resistive touch screen - meaning, it has precise input with anything pointy. (stylus, coffee-stirrer, finger-nail). However, the big down-side with either cap or resistive sense is that there is no cursor hover. ...you are either selecting an area or not.

Considering that many web-pages have features based on cursor hover, I can't see how the people with Only cap-sense (and no mouse coughApplecough) can claim that they have a good web device.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by island911

Considering that many web-pages have features based on cursor hover, I can't see how the people with Only cap-sense (and no mouse coughApplecough) can claim that they have a good web device.

Android suffers from that as well. Again, nothing is perfect.

I do find it funny that HP is pushing WebOS, Blackberry is pushing out tablets and Microsoft is trying to create another OS for Tablets...

I think they're seeing the market, as described by John.

[HHI944]

Posting from the Acer tab now while sitting by the lake, smoking a cigar, drinking a Talisker 10yr, playing online, listening to Buddy Guy and just watched an old episode of South Park via TV show stream. It is mostly a toy, but I've also managed some work functionality as the 3D cart back end is workable with dolphin browser.