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Non Ethanol Gas, getting harder to find
Three months ago I had three stations near me that had non- ethanol gas. One was a Chevron, which I prefer. As of last weekend they all went to ethanol gas.
I talked on the Chevron station owner,he says he has to take what they give him. I just sent Chevron an email asking for a choice. Is this fair in a free market economy? What else can you do, IS eveybody out there using an additive to combat the evils of ethanol ? |
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06-15-2011, 05:46 AM
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To be clear: are you sure it was ethanol free? I do not believe anyone has been blending ethanol free since around when Bush mandated ethanol. I wouldn't believe or trust the sticker or person saying its ethanol free gas. The only ethanol free gas available is av gas or the likes Cam2.
Yes it is a free country with choices except for the choices that we cannot make and that are made for us like the percentage of ethanol blending. |
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06-15-2011, 06:04 AM
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We can still get ethanol free gas in Oklahoma. There are two stations in my area that have it. As soon ans I travel out of Oklahoma it is game over and the ethanol blend stuff is everywhere.
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06-15-2011, 06:48 AM
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And while the gubmint is giving our tax money to farmers to grow corn, giving our tax money to energy companies to make ethanol, forcing consumers to buy ever increasing percentages of inneficient crap, the price of our food is going through the roof.
A high percentage of the food we buy is tied to the price of corn in one way or another, whether it's corn syrup or corn feed for beef, the gubmint's stoopid meddling is costing us all a fortune. Take a look at the graph below for the cost of a bushel of corn. Note the temporary pike in 2008 was due to severe flooding in Iowa and the later spike is due to increased ethanol production. click on the 10 year option above the chart to see the trend: Last edited by sammyg2; 06-15-2011 at 08:05 AM.. |
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06-15-2011, 08:00 AM
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It is my understanding that here in Louisiana stations are required to put the amount of ethanol
(10%) on the pump. Lots of fishermen and hunters use the no ethanol as well as the landscapers...lots of those around here ! The one station I found with real gas charges 5cents a gallon more. |
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06-15-2011, 08:22 AM
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Bush reluctantly signed Congress's Energy Policy Act of 2005 which authorized loan guarantees for technologies that avoided greenhouse gases, including advanced nuclear reactor designs as well as clean coal and renewable energy. the Act increased the amount of biofuel (usually ethanol) that must be mixed with gasoline sold in the United States to 4 billion gallons by 2006, 6.1 billion gallons by 2009 and 7.5 billion gallons by 2012. two years later, the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 extended the target to 36 billion gallons by 2022. That was done by the new DEMOCRAT CONGRESS. It was part of the pelosi-sith's Democratic Party 100-Hour Plan during the 110th Congress. Bush signed it because it had too many votes to get vetoed and because he reluctantly had to give into the dark side in order to get the pelosi-sith to go along with increased drilling for oil. They didn't mandate a percentage, just a total amount to be used. The cities and states mandate the percentage. It started out typically at 5% but soon turned into 10%, thanks to the dark side. Then darth Obama pushed for 15%. The EPA has already authorized the increase to 15% due to sith mind tricks having a strong influence on the weak-minded. Based on EPA tests for all 2006 E85 models, the average fuel economy for E85 vehicles resulted 25.56% lower MPG than straight unleaded gasoline. Last edited by sammyg2; 06-15-2011 at 09:23 AM.. |
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06-15-2011, 09:21 AM
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Just got a response from Chevron....This person needs to run for political office !
Dear Mr. Harmon, Thank you for the inquiry. In concert with Federal and State regulations we continue to blend ethanol into retail gasoline in increasing amounts. Ethanol is likely to be blended into much/all of US gasoline in at least the next 12 years. Ethanol is not peculiar to Chevron gasoline; it is distributed widely in a blend at up to ten percent by all of the major brands, in alignment with the nation’s effort to increase the proportion of renewable and secure energy we consume. The Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 requires there to be 15.2 billion gallons of renewable fuel by 2012 and 36 billion gallons by 2022. That’s a very difficult target to meet, and one that can only be attained through extensive use of ethanol. Unfortunately, we do not have a listing of service stations that carry non-oxygenated gasolines. Irrespective of formulation we can assure the high quality and performance of Chevron gasolines. Any formulation of Chevron or Texaco branded gasolines are Top Tier with Techron. Sincerely, Chevron Fuels Technical Services |
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06-16-2011, 11:34 AM
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Like I said, you're not finding non-ethanol gas for highway use...I don't think the people on puregas have a clue and are just going off of the fact that there isn't an ethanol sticker on the pump.
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06-16-2011, 01:33 PM
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Well the website only lists Marinas in northern Ohio although I did notice that the airport in Marshall Michigan was shown to have premium non-ethanol and I flew there just two weeks ago on business and filled my airplane up with it.
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the pure gas site it pretty accurate on stations here and is asking for updates for them to confirm all the time. they do pull stations off the site, that have sucome to the a$$hats on capitol hill that dont know what they are talking about when they mandate these rules. you want to have altenate fuels fine. we can have vehicles that can be designed to use this stuff. but forcing blended fuels on those of us that have cars not designed for it is not the way to go. if the market wants an ethanol only car then someone will make it and i'm fine with that. why e85 not e100??? but my cars/tools are for GAS and GAS only. my 2t yard tools are starting to crap out this summer and no one is making ones to work with the crap fuel we are forced to use.
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06-16-2011, 03:33 PM
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Gasoline is sent through the pipe farms "pure" that is without ethanol in it. The local people do not want that crap in their pipes or farms anymore than we do as it screws with their stuff just as bad. They mix the ethanol into the fuel as its been pumped into the tanker trucks and not before. You guys need to find a station who will sell the fuel "pure" and this is possible. Look for boat docks or stations who have extra tanks and sell it to sports car or boat people. Joe A
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06-16-2011, 08:02 PM
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They are doing very well with the first responder/ government biz. Funny the same folks who with the other hand are pushing the cr@p fuel on us, pay a premium with their other hand to get good stuff to keep their emergency gear functioning Small Engine Fuel (SEF
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06-16-2011, 09:18 PM
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Man this is great !
never thought of VP. My mechanic uses the race fuel, I just sent an email asking about 93 octane street gas. We'll see... |
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06-17-2011, 05:23 AM
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What's the octane rating of the "pure" non-ethanolized gas?
Doesn't the addition of the 10% ethanol add to the octane rating? This came up (I think it was Tim Hancock who pointed it out) when I brought up building an ethanol extractor (which I have collected some of the materials for BTW, so the project is going ahead...) I thought also this was part of the issue with the impending ban on leaded AvGas - you can't get the 100 octane rating without either lead or ethanol (or methanol, or some kind of alcohol). Anyway, the point is that the implication here is that the refining of the gasoline part is of a lesser quality, relying on the E10 to boost it up to 87, 89, 91 or whatever... Anyone know for sure if this is the case and if so, how much of a difference we're talking about?
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06-17-2011, 08:54 AM
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For those who live in the mid Willamette Valley of Oregon, the WILCO farm co-op in Tangent sells 92 octane unleaded premium with no alcohol content.
 Strangely, it sells for LESS per gallon than the "premium" with alcohol sold by the cluster of stations just off I-5, less than 5 miles to the East of Tangent.
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06-17-2011, 09:48 AM
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In Wisconsin the Kwik Trip stations advertise the 92 octane as ethanol free gas that is safe to use in your toys and yard machines.
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We have stations(listed on puregas) that advertise E0 on the marquee signs AND at the pump. Make no mistake. Here in Charleston, SC stations are loud and proud to offer E0. |
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06-17-2011, 06:46 PM
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Also ... looks like ethanol subsidies are being cut. Good news.
Senate vote marks start of end for ethanol subsidies - chicagotribune.com |
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That's exactly the opposite of what I found today at a Shell station listed on the Pure-Gas.org site.   Tim |
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06-19-2011, 04:34 PM
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