We have now found the missing cornerstone of particle physics.

[island911]

Originally Posted by kang

I find this stuff fascinating.

With this discovery, they're starting to talk about what happened before the big bang:....

What?

Before the Big Bang there was nothing. . .. which exploded.

It's turtles. ...all the way down.

[kang]

My favorite app on my iPhone is my Higgs Field Disruptor

[gtc]

Overheard on the newsdesk: "I don't care what the Higgs boson headline is, just make sure we spell Hadron correctly."

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Brando

Let's not jump to conclusions... Even the researchers at CERN said they did not discover the Higgs-Boson particle, but something that behaved like it.

So yer saying it might be a higgs-bogus particle? Hopefuly it isn't dangling ...
(Had to throw in something for the english majors reading this thread with the glassed over eyes ...)

ba da bump.


Yeah I know but particle is almost participle. Close enuff for an engineer specially if he has that thing where the order of letters get mixed up in his haid, what wuz that called?
Been a long week of vacation.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by kang

I find this stuff fascinating.

The field is like syrup. As other particles (protons, electrons, etc) travel through it, they get dragged down.
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In the LHC, the field got excited via the collisions they caused. The field is everywhere, even if there are no particles present.
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The electro-magnetic field is similar. It's everywhere. A localized excitation of the field is a photon, but the field is everywhere.
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Like I said, fascinating.

Not in a jefferies tube ...............

[kach22i]

Jefferies tube - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The term "Jefferies tube" was originally an inside joke among the original Star Trek production staff, a reference to Original Series art director Matt Jefferies, the man who designed the original starship Enterprise.[

[kang]

Originally Posted by kach22i

Jefferies tube - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Apparently, on the set of TNG, there was a Jefferies tube labeled "GNDN."

"Goes Nowhere, Does Nothing."

[sc_rufctr]

Great stuff... This discovery is very significant. Stephen Hawkins never thought he would see it in his life time.
In time more will be learnt and that will lead to more discoveries. Exciting stuff ahead of us.

The benefits and disoveries will be bigger than huge.

[kang]

Here's a fascinating article titled "What If the New Particle Isn't the Higgs Boson?" What is especially interesting is the line "This would be the first discovery of physics beyond the Standard Model." That's HUGE.

What If the New Particle Isn't the Higgs Boson? - Yahoo! News

Physicists at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) say they've discovered a new "Higgs-like" particle: a bundle of energy that has most of the trappings of the long-sought Higgs boson. They're not naming the newcomer outright, because there are subtle indications that the particle may not, in fact, be the plain old Higgs itself, but rather a close doppelganger.

Don't let that disappoint you. To the contrary, Harvey Newman, a high-energy physicist at the California Institute of Technology and a member of the Compact Muon Solenoid (CMS) experiment (one of two LHC experiments that discovered the new particle), said finding a more exotic variety of Higgs boson is actually "one of the most exciting things that can happen." Here's why.

The Higgs field, with its corresponding Higgs boson, was predicted to exist as the simplest explanation of why all the elementary particles in the universe have mass. In short, the Higgs field is a cosmos-size swimming pool, and everything is swimming in it. Particles that interact strongly with the Higgs field, "like a heavyset man swimming with his clothes on," in the words of John Gunion, a physicist at the University of California at Davis, are heavier than particles that breeze through the pool "like an Olympic swimmer in a wetsuit."

One Higgs swimming pool (and one corresponding Higgs boson — a sort of splash in the pool) is enough to impart mass to all the particles in the Standard Model: the standard theory describing the known elementary particles and the forces acting between them. But the Standard Model is not the whole story.

"It's simple and powerful, but we know it can't be the complete theory," Newman told Life's Little Mysteries. Believing in the Standard Model "would be like believing in Newton's laws of motion." The laws assume that space and time are separate and immutable entities. This is fine for describing the movements of slow and low-mass objects, but the laws break down for objects approaching the speed of light, or for black holes, which bend space and time. "Newton's laws are beautifully simple and describe so much, but we know it's not the fundamental theory, just the low-energy limit of a more fundamental theory" — that is, Einstein's theory of relativity, which seems to describe space-time exactly. "It's the same thing here. We know there must be a more fundamental theory than the Standard Model."

The Standard Model is incomplete, Newman said, because it doesn't account for the particles that make up 84 percent of the matter in the universe: the invisible substance known as dark matter. It also fails to incorporate gravity. Furthermore, the Standard Model treats matter and its oppositely-handed twin, antimatter, as if they are symmetrical, and so it doesn't account for why there is so much more matter than antimatter in the universe. And lastly, when you try to project the Standard Model to higher energies like those that existed in the early moments of the universe, "the theory essentially falls in on itself," Newman said.

The leading theory that places the Standard Model within a more powerful, all-encompassing framework is called supersymmetry, or SUSY. According to SUSY (which is incorporated into string theory), all the known particles have much heavier supersymmetric partners, known as sparticles. Not only does SUSY predict the existence of dark matter particles, it is also able to explain particle interactions at very high energies, like those just after the Big Bang. What's more, SUSY may account for nature's strange preference for matter over antimatter: It requires there to be at least five superimposed swimming pools in place throughout the universe, which could have a built-in asymmetry (like a giant counterclockwise whirlpool), giving rise to a surplus of matter. Those five swimming pools are Higgs fields, each with a Higgs-like boson. [The Funniest Theories in Physics]

When generated in a particle collider like the LHC, each Higgs-like boson would be expected to decay into a unique set of lighter particles. It appears that the newfound particle at the LHC decayed in a way that the run-of-the-mill Standard Model Higgs would not have, the physicists said — although more data is needed before they'll know for certain what kind of Higgs they've got. But if the particle is, in fact, a more exotic Higgs, then it could be a SUSY Higgs, or at least a non-Standard Model Higgs. And this would be the first discovery of physics beyond the Standard Model.

"The Higgs sector particle not being the simplest Higgs boson would be the first indication that, yes, there is new physics out there. And that would provide tremendous momentum to the whole field," Gunion said, referring to the "sector" or group of possible Higgs particles.

Newman echoed the sentiment: "Overall, we have this tremendous view in front of us."

[Superman]

So if their theory is validated, they are happy. And if their theory is invalidated, they will be ecstatic?

[Flieger]

Originally Posted by Superman

So if their theory is validated, they are happy. And if their theory is invalidated, they will be ecstatic?

The thrill of scientific discovery. What you don't expect is more interesting than what you do.

[motion]

Love it! Even better: nearly everything we know now will be disproven a couple hundred years from now!

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Superman

So if their theory is validated, they are happy. And if their theory is invalidated, they will be ecstatic?

Usually, they have two competing theories. One is the "new" unproven theory, and one is the "conventional" view.

If the new one proves out, they are happy. If the old one proves out, they are not happy. If the data is completely different, they are ecstatic...as they will now be gainfully employed for years trying to figure out what the new data means

[red-beard]

2 cases where the data was vastly different:

Microwave energy coming from the stars - discovery of cosmic rays/microwave emitters, lead to radio telescopes

Mass Measurements of the universe - way (weigh) too much mass, lead to new theories of dark matter

[kang]

Originally Posted by motion

Love it! Even better: nearly everything we know now will be disproven a couple hundred years from now!

Has "nearly everything" we knew a couple hundred years ago been disproven?

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by motion

Love it! Even better: nearly everything we know now will be disproven a couple hundred years from now!

substitute modified for disproven and you will be less like to be disproven

[motion]

Yes, modified is a better word, thanks.