iPhone 4S is free with contract.

Apple is headed toward 700 million iOS devices sold. When iOS 7 comes out on the 20th, it will likely become the #1 mobile OS (Android market is splintered).

All iOS devices are in the "Apple ecosystem," and able to access purchased (and free) items via iTunes.

25 billion songs sold as of 2/13

40 billion applications downloaded as of 1/13

# movies & TV episodes rented -- unknown, but likely in the 10s of millions each.

As big as Apple's content commerce momentum is, individual products and product evolvement have less and less impact. That's not to say it's becoming stale, just changing. Trust me, any of its competitors would love to have Apple's challenges right now.

Yep.

That's right.... Because the govt hasn't been getting our prints with our drivers license for years now...


Gimme a freaking break.

I dunno about you, but I was never fingerprinted for my driver's licenses. Not in NJ, not in NY, and not in AZ.

Texas takes both thumb prints.

Not in GA or SC.....

Nor NC or FL. I wouldn't like that at all...I'd give 'em the finger rather than a finger print :D

No 'extra' news from China . . .

"Apple’s Beijing iPhone event on Wednesday has just ended with no new announcements for a market it desperately needs to succeed in, and prices for the new 5C higher than Americans will pay for the high-end 5S.

The fruity tech titan was rumoured to be ready to announce a long-awaited tie-up with China Mobile, the world’s largest carrier by subscribers, which would have given it access to the firm’s 700 million customers.

However, in pokey looking room in Beijing, all the local hacks were treated to was a re-run of Apple’s official launch in the US a few hours earlier."

Ian

Down another 19 in premarket.

Is done in CA, not in MA (yet, but I'm sure it's coming) or NH.

We have liftoff!

9 million vs 5 million the analyst were predicting...someone is going to have to up their numbers:) they could have sold more had they not run out

Off topic Q:
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How's the technology on that finger print deal working out?
When I bought my Lenovo R61i back in 2008, the techs said to not even use the finger print feature.
The new phones have been already hacked in Germany using tape to transfer the owner's print, etc.

“The venerable Chaos Computer Club hacker collective claims to have bypassed Apple’s much-vaunted TouchID biometric security mechanism, as used in the new iPhone 5s,” David Meyer reports for GigaOM.
“This isn’t a hardcore technological hack so much as a good old-fashioned fake fingerprint technique. You find the iPhone owner’s print somewhere (the device itself may carry a few on its glossy surfaces), put some powder on it to make it more visible, then photograph or scan it at high resolution. Clean up the reversed image, print it at high resolution using thick ink, then use that to make a thin latex dummy, which you can put on your finger and use to unlock the iPhone,” Meyer reports. “CCC spokesman Dirk Engling suggested that Apple may have allowed the flaw when trying to balance security and ease of use. ‘In the end you have to shift the balance to more comfort, and that’s apparently what Apple did,’ he said. ‘Out in the field, people would have problems unlocking their iPhones if they were to be too strict. This is a basic problem of biometrics.’”


“If it’s pickpocketing you’re worried about, then bear in mind that your iPhone is probably covered in your fingerprints. That said, making a fake print of the quality we’re talking about here is not trivial and it also takes a while, making it likely that the owner would just remotely wipe the device before anything can be accessed,” Meyer reports. “If it’s muggers or overzealous law enforcement or border agents that you’re thinking about, then this ‘hack’ doesn’t make a blind bit of difference. Merely having a biometric access mechanism makes it possible to grab your hand and use it to unlock the phone… The only real worry here relates to a more targeted attack, perhaps by a private investigator who’s after some juicy corporate secrets.”

" if someone wanted to make the phone as secure as possible use Touch ID and the password together and the odds of someone hacking your phone will be 1 in 500 million!"

Net, net. Apple raised their financial forecast to near the high end of previous guidance.

They compared the release of the two new different phones in all markets compared to one new phone in limited markets (the 5, the 4S, and the 4).

They have also lost about 22% of world-wide market share to the Android operating system in just 18 months. The stock is cheap for a good reason.

So are you buying some or more?

Since it requires 1. physical possession of the phone and 2. that the owner chose to use this optional locking feature and 3. a print of whichever specific finger or thumb used on the scanner (user's choice), that presupposes a lot of "ifs." Someone noted this week that a toe can be used as well, BTW.

Apple (AAPL) Chief Executive Officer Tim Cook has taken plenty of flack for running a company that is supposedly well past its glory days—and the iPhone smartphone franchise is sometimes dismissed as a spent force, losing ground to more innovative brands such as Android and Samsung Well, here’s a little perspective for the Apple-haters.

The iPhone 5s and 5c sold a record 9 million units during the first weekend after its launch. Consider this: The brand’s sales haul over the last four reported quarters eclipses that of such companies as Home Depot (HD), Microsoft (MSFT), Target (TGT), Goldman Sachs (GS), Amazon (AMZN), PepsiCo (PEP), Comcast (CMCSA), Dell (DELL), Google (GOOG), Pfizer (PFE), and UPS (UPS).

If this single product were its own company in the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index, IPhone Inc. would outsell 474 of those companies—ranking between Wells Fargo (WFC) ($90.5 billion) and Marathon Petroleum (MPC) ($84.9 billion). The iPhone’s $88.4 billion in annualized revenue tops 21 of the 30 component companies in the Dow Jones industrial average—it would be the ninth-biggest stock in the Dow 30:http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1380138459.jpg
Look at that again, this time focusing on the 21 Dow companies the iPhone beats:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1380138544.jpg
One more fun fact: The majority of Apple sales comes from this one product—iPhone sales ($88.4 billion) are greater than the sum of Apple’s remaining products—including the iPad, Mac laptops and desktops, and iTunes—combined ($81 billion). Listen Up Apple-Haters: IPhone Sales Eclipse Microsoft and Amazon Revenue - Businessweek

Whatever. :D

The market only cares about the profits (and revenue) in 2014, 2015, and beyond. AAPL is getting killed in market share. It trades at low multiples to revs and earnings because traders don't want to try to catch a falling knife.

They need to fire Tim Cook and hire Tony Fadell as CEO.

P/S GM (and others) had great revs before they ran into problems.

“comScore has recently updated their MobiLens and Mobile Metrix, data for US smartphone subscribers in August 2013. Many in the media picked up the point that iOS gained on Android during the month. While this is true, it has actually been going on for almost a year now,” Ben Bajarin writes for Tech.pinions. “In November, 2012, Android peaked in the US at just over 53% share. Since then it has slowly declined. During that same time iOS has been slowly growing.”
“The iPhone does not compete with the low-end, extremely low-cost, Android devices offered free by carriers or on pre-pay plans from retailers, which is why comparing the iPhone to the entirety of Android is a mistake. Rather, to get a holistic picture of what is happening, we must compare the iPhone to similarly priced products. More specifically we must compare the iPhone’s market share to that of other vendors’ products at the same price points. When we do that, we get a clearer picture,” Bajarin writes. “Below is the iPhone’s share against other devices costing greater than $400 wholesale (or offered at $99-$199 subsidized). This chart is based on sell through estimates [about which] I am extremely confident.”

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“As you can see, the iPhone dominates the premium segment of the market. These estimates are prior to the launch of the iPhone 5c and iPhone 5s,” Bajarin writes. “Based on all the data I am seeing from demand and sales trends, it is hard not to conclude that iOS will overtake Android in the US in the near future – possibly as soon as the end of the calendar year. But perhaps the most important thing about the iPhone’s share in the premium devices sector is that other competitors have only been able to made weak inroads against it. Samsung, for example, has been spending hundreds of millions of dollars in US-based marketing, yet their share of the premium market has peaked and been trending downward on weaker-than-expected sales in 2013.”
http://techpinions.com/its-tough-competing-with-the-iphone/23835

Looking at hardware sales is good. Looking at overall usage (the Comscore numbers above) is better; looking at the population of devices connected to the iOS ecosystem (app store and iTunes) is best.

I rarely see anything but an iPhone in use when I'm out and about. I guess all the Android devices must be in New Jersey (apologies to anyone here from New Jersey).

You guys act as if Wall Street doesn't price this in quickly (in a microsecond). This is old news.

Timmy Cook is not the right guy. He is presenting little new information about the future (Will the new IPad allow fingerprints like the new iPhone? Who cares?)

This isn't Coca-Cola which moves more drinks year after year. The market has seen fads before.

The margins were great on Apple due to Jobs. They seem to be lowering margins to sale in emerging markets.

The P/E will suffer as long as the company shows no new must-have products. The Android is coming fast and investors are getting worried that Apple is just counting on it's past performance. If Android puts up good numbers next quarter, it will put more pressure of AAPL stock prices.

What new thing is happening? Like I said, it is cheap for a good reason. Who needs a new iPhone in the U.S.A.? Who could afford one in China?

It's called a market. There are buyers and sellers. The old fan-boys don't have a clue how markets work.

Lol...

WSJ

I am sure that AAPL will stop this slide....as soon as their phones are free (which will not hurt margins to you fan-boys).

aapl's been on the move!

As of today, I could sell and get out and break even or come out a little bit ahead.

I think I'll wait it out a bit, though.

which means probably now is the time to sell

Interesting discovery: that the lower-priced phones are not as popular as the 5S.
So Apple recently cut 5C production and boosted 5S production.
Price elasticity rules don't seem to apply.

That doesn't surprise me, because there really is no significant price difference for most people (I think).

I think when you go to a Verizon, etc. store and buy the phone and sign up for a plan, or when you upgrade your existing phone, the 5S is $199 and the 5C is $99.

Given how much these phones cost to operate for one year, on even a basic text and data plan, that $100 difference is pretty much insignificant.

Hold for the long haul...you won't regret it. Just PLEASE let me know should you wish to purchase some more....I'd likely liquidate temporarily for the inevitable "dip" that would surely follow :p

I keed....

Buy the rumor sell the news Part II . . . watch for the dip tomorrow. Analysts are still talking higher. Of course, they have been wrong before.

Ian

I bought in at 3 times at 3 price levels, the highest was at $550, so as of today I'm fully in the black and up a few thousand.

I suppose I could get out with a profit and take all the risk off the table.

But it seems like now that it has gotten momentum to get this high again, that momentum may carry it to $600+.

??

Holiday sales are looking excellent for Apple. I'm planning on sticking with it through the New Year. iWatch next year could be HUGE.

should read: iWatch next year COULD be huge.

OTOH the big clunky calculator watches undoubtedly made some people alot of money back in the day.

I had one of those! I got it in 1976 from a little company called Intel. Whatever became of them?

Just got back from SE Asia. iPhone's are definitely status symbols, and is wanted by everyone and their brother. People have Android devices because they can't afford an iPhone. But as soon as they can, adroid phones are ditched and replaced w/ any version of the iPhone.

Never in my life have I been so proud of an American company and how it has completely taken the hearts and minds of everyone. It is indeed a cult. Steve Jobs true brilliance shined while traveling through SE Asia.

Keep your Apple stock. Unless Tim Cook completely screws the pooch...

Pitargue, I'm with you on feeling proud of the company. Latest report is that the iPhone 5s and 5c captured 76% of the smartphone market in Japan last month.

We were in Russia a couple months ago, and people were so proud of their iPhones, they were practically wearing them on their foreheads. I still believe Apple knows a thing or two about exclusivity. I can only imagine what its like in Asia, where not too long ago people were in need of basic living services.