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Gartner says: Overall PC sales have fallen in 4th quarter 2013 by 7.5% from prior year.

Against that, Apple computer sales rose 28.5% year over year. Apple is still a distant third in overall computer sales behind HP and Dell, however.

I'd rock one!

Stop any time now!



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I'm losing a couple grand tomorrow.

Hoping for some rebound tomorrow.

???

Apple's quarterly earnings came out today after the market closed and it looks like it will be a bloodbath tomorrow when it reopens.

AAPL can only go to $1000. It is guaranteed. Every 911's ever made will sell for over $50k as well. It is guaranteed.

I hate the market

I thought the stock was going to $1000, and then the stock was going to split?

Apple died when Steve Jobs died. BTW, what makes Al Gore qualified to be a member of the Board of Directors of Apple? Wishful thinking? At least Tim Cook has some experience in the private sector.

Seriously? Al Gore was one of the first in Washington to see the potential of the Internet. Look up the Gore Bill.

Al Gore | Internet Hall of Fame

And no, Al Gore did not say he 'invented the Internet.'

Who are these "analysts" who predict a company's pass/fail status? According to news reports, the "analysts" forecasted that APPL would sell 55 million iPhones the last quarter. Unfortunately, they "only" sold 51 million units. And for that, APPL gets a fail, resulting in an overnight stock drop of $50. BTW, I didn't know NASDAQ stays open overnight. Do I need to knock on their door for insight?

I suppose the "analysts" are there to provide investment data, but it seems they end up manipulating stock prices which is good for those who, with close cooperation from the "analysts", can quickly leverage buy/sells to their advantage. The average investor? Meh.

BTW, APPL is supposedly sitting on $150B cash reserves. Another big fail :rolleyes:

Sherwood

Yes, it's odd. The 51 million units "fail" is partly due to Apple anticipating more price elasticity. The 5c was not hot and the 5s was far more in demand and production lagged.

Apple has avoided the low end of the smut-phone market, costing them sales

OTOH, if they get down in that area, they risk losing their entire brand image, besides the competition to sell a commoditized product nearly always leading to low earnings growth

yes, they have huge cash hoards - you guys can start convincing me to sell when my investment has grown by 2x to 3x

The stock market is nothing more than legalized gambling these days, and has been that way since the advent of the internet and cheap/easy internet trading. My theory is that the internet has allowed hacks like me to play the market (and lose), which benefits the institutional investors exclusively (at my expense).

Agree 100%.

Been saying that for years. I'll go as far as to call it institutionalized gambling.

It also benefits careful investors like me who avoid "playing" the market.

And BTW "Thanks!"

It's only gambling when results are left to chance. I'm implying the gambling part of it is for the masses, not for the manipulators.

Sherwood

google buys Motorola for 12.5 b in 2011, sells it for 2.5b today and the stock goes up after hours...btw, read somewhere apple made more money in this quarter than amazon, netflix and google did all year...

the 2.5 Billion sale price is for the dead husk of MOT from which Google has sucked out all the useful IP

Daring Fireball:
“I bet it would take longer to literally flush $9.5 billion in cash down a toilet than it took for Google to do so figuratively on the Motorola acquisition.”

You must be a really, really smart guy. Much smarter than I.

Nope. But I do the work.

Well Amzn and Nflx don't make anything. So, of course aapl makes more than GOOG. And a stock doesn't go up because they just lost 10 bil. They already lost that money. Maybe people expected them to lose 11bil on it. Or maybe they are just relieved with a quick sale that won't bleed cash anymore. Get it?

Google gutted Motorola, specifically patents and talent. The majority of the Motorola IP stays with Google. They got what they wanted and are moving on. It is like you'd buy a rough looking 911, pull engine, trans and sell the roller for cheap to get it out of your garage. ;) This is why the market did not count this as a failure.

G

I am not sure what you missed when I said "private sector". That means someone with real business experience.

Al Gore is part of the real problem with Washington as he is a full-time politician.

What does Gore add in a Board Meeting of the world's largest tech company? Absolutely Nothing. The real players ignore him.

I've been in this business.

First: When a stock gets it's own thread on an internet message board, you should get rid of it quickly. It's at it's high.

Second: When the founder and chief technology dude is dead, you need to understand Warning #2.

The market is done with Apple. It isn't coming back to levels of before.

What a great modernization of the "shoeshine boy" indicator.
The starting of this thread coincided with the peak of APPL TO THE DAY.
8/22/2012 Absolutely uncanny.

;) Time will tell, but just a couple of points I'd like to make....

This is the "current" AAPL thread...as I recall, there have been quite a few that date back to about the time you joined this board. Yep, without John Watson, the co will NEVER be the same. Plenty of pros (with billions at stake) simply disagree with you.

I've read a few of your posts regarding 911s in recent weeks (I normally don't visit the market place) and here on OT. You're pretty good at "cherry picking" data imo...clueless about "some" things, but pretty good none the less. ;)

I'm certainly not a pro, nor an Apple devotee, but this "cash cow" isn't about to stop producing anytime soon imo.

Here is why AAPL is screwed.

They've been selling their $600 iPhones via heavy cell provider subsidies.
Well, those subsidies are now tapering off. ATT and T-Mobile, in particular...

During the next upgrade cycle, do you think people are going to fork out $600 cash for a cell phone?
Not when you can get a smartphone for $99 retail with no plan.

I have a significant bearish put ladder portfolio in place.
Over time, AAPL is going to get chopped in half from here.
When it does, I will buy myself a different colored 2015 911 for each day of the week.

change your screen name to "PuttingMyLuck"

AAPL has been disappointing lately for those long. But Im not ready to give up on them yet. If they dont come out with something significant this year I will change my mind. The last couple of years of phone upgrades have been weak at best. iphone, ipod, tablets- I dont think they are done yet.

Since I'm an Apple fanboy, and own a nice chunk of AAPL, I remain optimistic, but secretly, I believe Apple died along with Steve. That's really sad, but I believe its the truth. Tim Cook is nothing like Steve Jobs, and I don't believe he can bring out the best in Jonny Ives and the army of creative people at Apple. We've all seen this before, during the Gasse and Scully eras.

No doubt Steve is irreplaceable, but Apple is going to be building his products for at least the next 2 years. He left a 5-year product plan. Nothing like knowing you're going to die for a year or more -- working with the same fierce focus he always had -- to map your legacy.

Apple isn't 'over.' Not just the fanboys, but some smart money says so:

Carl Icahn, Who Can't Stop Buying Apple, Just Bought $500 Million More - Forbes

For sure, Carl's comments keep me in the aapl play.

I don't think it's anyone's fault Apple is possibly heading downhill, it's more a testament to Jobs. I don't know of a more important head of a company ever. As much as he may have tried, you can't pass that creativity on or teach it.

Steve Jobs was also a phenomenal marketeer. The iPhone 5S is actually a spectacular piece of hardware which includes the 64 bit processor and the finger print scanner. Just the 64 bit processor, which is beautifully optimized for it's intended use made all the smart phone makers pucker. Unfortunately, no one knows how to push this info to the general public, which thinks the 5S is just like the 5, which it isn't. You can bet that all the other smart phone makers will be offering a 64 bit smart phone next. If it wasn't so important for those in the know, they wouldn't be offering it.

Perhaps the former CEO of Burberry can mix things up. (I doubt it.)