Alonso whining like the liitle b*tch we've come to know

[Henry Schmidt]

In response to his failure to compete, Alonso is whining that it's not Vettel but Adrian Newey that has changed the tide.

"When we had similar cars to everyone, we were leading the championship. Now we are fighting against a Newey car," Alonso said

Ferrari driver complaining about the lack of pace from the worlds preeminent racing factory. I guess Fred forgot about history. Vettel has dominated the last 4 or five races in all of the last three years. Especially notable was 2010 when Vettel turned his competition into "also rans" closing an insurmountable lead winning the championship in the race.

He (Fred) better hope Vettel doesn't end up at Ferrari in 2014 because we all know how this baby deals with another competent drive.
Any comments?

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Henry, you are lapping up what the press want you to believe not what is actually going on.

Alonso is not whining, he's f*****g with Vettels head as most F1 drivers are mentally a little immature so he's using every angle he can to gain any extra advantage.

His comment will also be a way of applying a bit of internal pressure to the team to develop a car quicker.

[Henry Schmidt]

Originally Posted by Captain Ahab Jr

Henry, you are lapping up what the press want you to believe not what is actually going on.

Alonso is not whining, he's f*****g with Vettels head as most F1 drivers are mentally a little immature so he's using every angle he can to gain any extra advantage.

His comment will also be a way of applying a bit of internal pressure to the team to develop a car quicker.

I think you forgot the green front indicating sarcasm.. None of that was meant to be serious, was it?

Alonso is notorious for whining and blaming others for is lack of success. This is just a continuation of his campaign-O-excuses.

Vettel is handing him his *ss and that reality is killing him.

[oldE]

In the past I would have agreed with you re the whining, but this year, Fernando seems to be getting on with the job and earning his money. Several times it has seemed to me he has acknowledged lucky breaks, praised the team and 'fessed up to his mistakes. I think he has matured a lot in a few years.

Best
Les

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Originally Posted by Henry Schmidt

I think you forgot the green front indicating sarcasm.. None of that was meant to be serious, was it?

Alonso is notorious for whining and blaming others for is lack of success. This is just a continuation of his campaign-O-excuses.

Vettel is handing him his *ss and that reality is killing him.

No sarcasm meant, what colour should I use for being serious , can I use blue, I maybe wrong but I'll bet my take on his comments are a lot closer to the truth.

I used to have the same opinion of him as you but a few things changed that for me.

Up until recently he had dragged the 3rd quickest car up to make him the quickest driver for most of the season, being beaten won't be killing him, it will just be making him angry, more focused and maybe a little bit frustrated.

When being beaten doesn't become painful its time to quit if you're driving and even if you're not.

[BRPORSCHE]

Mr Ahab, it's safe to assume you do not have a impartial view.

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Originally Posted by BRPORSCHE

Mr Ahab, it's safe to assume you do not have a impartial view.

You could say that, what I think doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, its only another opinion in a sea of opinions.

If Alonso does lose out when the points are counted up, he won't be the reason why as he's out driven the car all year.

Don't get me wrong I'm sure Alonso has whinged once or twice but I don't think there are any other drivers out there that would have behaved in a better way.

[BRPORSCHE]

I started watching F1 around 2003-04. I naturally hated eyebrows since I was a diehard schumi fan.

BUT

Alonso has really grown on me. He seems to do perfectly fine with car development over the course of the season and has really matured. He will never be a Schumacher, he is special in his own way.

[Jeff Higgins]

When he first started in F1, I came to really like him. Once him and Hamilton were joined as team mates at McLaren, I really learned to hate him, taking him for a whiney bytch. Now, in retrospect, it's become all too clear who the real whiney bytch at McLaren was, and is. The British dominated F1 press really went out of their way to paint a very bad picture of Alonso, while covering Hamilton's whiney little ass.

In the years since, both have shown their true colors,and I am once again an Alonso fan. I think he is the best driver in F1 today. He has matured a great deal and turned into every teams' dream - a development driver who can communicate with, and who really appreciates, his team. Just look what he managed to do with what everyone said, at the beginning of the season, was the worst Ferrari in years. He has been nothing but gracious and polite in every interview I have seen in the last few years.

[450knotOffice]

Stating fact is not whining. Adrian Newey is far and away the best aero designer of race cars on the planet. Probably ever. Seb Vettel owes a great deal of his success, dare I say most of it, to Adrian's brilliance.

[andyt11]

^ I agree with scott. He wasn't dominating until just recently. Meanwhile, Alonso has been making a poor car look good.

Put vettel in Alonso's car. Who thinks he would continue to dominate? Not me.

[Henry Schmidt]

Originally Posted by andyt11

^ I agree with scott. He wasn't dominating until just recently. Meanwhile, Alonso has been making a poor car look good.

Put vettel in Alonso's car. Who thinks he would continue to dominate? Not me.

Vettel is the best driver alive, put him on any team and he will move them to the front.
His list of youngest is incredibly amazing.
Youngest driver to drive at a Grand Prix meeting[86] 19 years, 53 days 2006 Turkish Grand Prix (25 August 2006)
Youngest driver to set fastest time in an official Grand Prix session[87]
Youngest driver to score points in Formula One[88] 19 years, 349 days 2007 United States Grand Prix (17 June 2007)
Youngest race leader in Formula One, for at least one lap[89] 20 years, 89 days 2007 Japanese Grand Prix (30 September 2007)
Youngest Grand Prix pole position winner[88] 21 years, 72 days 2008 Italian Grand Prix (13 September 2008)
Youngest driver to score a podium position in Formula One[90] 21 years, 73 days 2008 Italian Grand Prix (14 September 2008)
Youngest Grand Prix winner[88]
Youngest driver to score a double (pole position and race win)
Youngest driver to score a triple (pole position, race win, and fastest lap) 21 years, 353 days 2009 British Grand Prix (21 June 2009)
Youngest driver to score a grand slam (pole position, win, fastest lap, and led every lap) 24 years, 119 days 2011 Indian Grand Prix (30 October 2011)
Youngest Formula One World Drivers' Champion[88] 23 years, 135 days 2010 season (14 November 2010)
Youngest World Drivers' Championship runner-up[89] 22 years, 121 days 2009 season (1 November 2009)

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Henry, I thought when you started this thread you we were discussing Alonso and Adrian Newey and Vettel only had a bit part so why all the meaningless statistics.

Of course he will have lots of 'youngest' records as he was groomed by the Reddbull Drivers Academy from when he wa a tiny little baby. I was at Monza when he won in the Torro Rosso, I'll admit that was impressive

As correctly mentioned a lot of Vettels success is down to the car and Adrain Newey and the team built around him.

Lets see how the young guy gets on in another team with a car that is not the quickest or difficult to setup/drive or neeeds a lot of development.

Alonso is easily the best driver out there then closely behind is Kimi, followed by Vettel and Hamilton, then Button and Webber and Massa.

Its ok to be a Vettel fan you don't have to feel any shame or try to justify your choice and I'll leave you to believe what you want to believe but I'll stick to what I know and have seen.

[James Brown]

vettel won india by 9 seconds, lead every lap...

[andyt11]

You're right henry. Vettel is best and it's nothing to do with the car or the team. He would have done it in any car.

And alonso is whiney.

[Henry Schmidt]

Originally Posted by andyt11

You're right henry. Vettel is best and it's nothing to do with the car or the team. He would have done it in any car.

And alonso is whiney.

F1 is a team sport. I have no illusions that a driver can win or even perform well without the backing of a complete team effort.
My comments were really directed at the way different drivers represent their respective teams.

Vettel has lost the race from the lead do to car failure over and over in his carreer and he has always handled those situations with grace.
I posted Vettels youngest records because most of them were set we he was with an inferior team.

For Alonso to state that he's racing Newey was a direct attack on Vettel. Vettel gets in the car and performs. His dedication to the team especially in the closing rounds of the year is what legends are made of.

As for Alonso being the best, when he went head to head with the rookie, Hamilton at McLaren, Fred showed his true character, Whiney little b*tch. Nothing has changed.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by BRPORSCHE

Mr Ahab, it's safe to assume you do not have a impartial view.

That may be true, but it is accurate.
The OP is the more of a whiner than Alonso in this case.
Alonso has proven he is unmatched as a driver this season, finishing on the podium and in the running for the championship with an average car.
Given a competitive car he'd be running away with the points.

[javadog]

Wow, Henry, ease off on the Koolaid a little... too much of it can be bad for you.

I really hope Vettel moves to Ferrari in another year or two because I think Alonso would kill him over an entire season in the same car. Vettel is fast but he's inconsistent. His experience is nowhere near that of Alonso and that would show over a period of time. It's like Senna and Prost. It takes more than raw speed to win consistently.

And, if you don't think Newey is 80% responsible for Vettel's win record, have a look at the Red Bull win rate before he got there. The man's a genius and any team that employs him will win races. It's more a function of the ability of the car than driver these days.

JR

[Henry Schmidt]

Wow, personal attacks. Really?

Once again, it's about character not driving ability but when Vettel has all the records you guys can add the asterisk (but he had the best car) and I'll add that he was a champion with class.

After Vettel cinched his second title, the snarky Alonso quipped ; “I think now we will see who is the youngest three time world champion”

Vettel then pointed out, “Did you notice that Michael (Schumacher) is the youngest seven time world champion – ever!”

I guess this year we"ll see

[450knotOffice]

I can recall MANY times when things have gone badly for Vettel that he has done some classless things. Honestly. I think Vettel shows class when he's winning, and becomes sulky when he's losing.