So, is everybody cool if they burned the cabin down without even trying to negotiate?

[Tobra]

Texas actually does have an express line to the death chamber, just as Mr White indicates.

If the laws do not apply to everyone equally, what good are they? That is what this thread is about.

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by Hugh R

People don't seem to understand that when cops shoot, they shoot to kill. I hear stories of "Oh, they shot him 42 times" When cops shoot, they don't shoot to disable like in the movies. Like I said earlier, I've had a few pull overs by cops, but never a bad one.

I hear you, Hugh, and I'm fine with the gun battle. It's just the decision to burn the place to the ground that becomes problematic for me. When you listen to the scanner traffic, and you hear a cop broadcasting over his radio to "burn the f**king house down", and THEN they switch from cold gas to incendiaries, commonly known as "burners", I don't see professionalism. I see rage and vengeance, neither of which I expect from authorities.

[KFC911]

Tell ya what...for all who think the decision maker in this incident committed "murder"...let's have a jury trial anywhere, anytime and see what 12 reasonable people think. I can't believe some of the second guessing going on in this thread

[speeder]

Originally Posted by rusnak

You heartless bastard. You know he probably likes soul food, and you want to kill him with arteriosclerosis!

That reminds me, i have some Orange peel chicken in the fridge from last night. Deep fried.

Thanks man!

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

This thread is about actions and consequences for those actions. When you are in a building, told to come out by police, and you don't, but instead shoot police, there is a reasonable expectation that you will be killed.

Actions have consequences.

Take responsibility for your decisions.

it's that simple.

When was he told to come out? I never heard that reported. There was never any plea made by the authorities for him to lay down his weapon and come out.

[intakexhaust]

This was clearly an extremely dangerous individual. He clearly stated his intentions, followed through, refused to give up and commited the worst against others. So he short cut his trial. What more is there to do but destroy him immediately. An object like a house or cabin is meaningless in this case.

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by KC911

Tell ya what...for all who think the decision maker in this incident committed "murder"...let's have a jury trial anywhere, anytime and see what 12 reasonable people think. I can't believe some of the second guessing going on in this thread

It's not second-guessing. The FACT is, that the police, by their own admission, were using cold tear gas, and switched to incendiaries on purpose, to burn the cabin down, without any attempt to let him surrender.

Again, let's be clear, Chris Dorner deserved to die. The police did not have the right to decide that. They should have exploited every opportunity to take him into custody, because that's what we pay them to do. We pay Judges to sentence them.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by intakexhaust

This was clearly an extremely dangerous individual. He clearly stated his intentions, followed through, refused to give up and commited the worst against others. So he short cut his trial. What more is there to do but destroy him immediately. An object like a house or cabin is meaningless in this case.

+1. Our cities routinely pay out (actually their insurance does) several million for a LEO's "wrongful death" suit (ala the Wilmington, NC LE killing of the 18 year old). This incident wasn't EVEN close to being as vile and disgusting as others that occur...I'm just sayin'.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by ZOA NOM

It's not second-guessing. The FACT is, that the police, by their own admission, were using cold tear gas, and switched to incendiaries on purpose, to burn the cabin down, without any attempt to let him surrender.

Again, let's be clear, Chris Dorner deserved to die. The police did not have the right to decide that. They should have exploited every opportunity to take him into custody, because that's what we pay them to do. We pay Judges to sentence them.

I respectfully disagree...let's have a jury trial if that's what you think and put the "decision maker" (not some hothead heard on the radio) before 12 citizens to decide. The chances of a "guilty" verdict are not even slim...and you know it

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by KC911

I respectfully disagree...let's have a jury trial if that's what you think and put the "decision maker" (not some hothead heard on the radio) before 12 citizens to decide. The chances of a "guilty" verdict are not even slim...and you know it

Possibly, but that doesn't make it right.

[Tervuren]

Its funny how the same people who object to shooting someone that broke into your home, saying there should be less lethal options, fully support shooting and burning down an occupied building...

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by ZOA NOM

When was he told to come out? I never heard that reported. There was never any plea made by the authorities for him to lay down his weapon and come out.

So your entire position rests on the police never asking him to come out. That you never heard it reported, and because you never heard it reported, therefore the police never said, come out and surrender.

That's what you are going on? You didn't hear it so you created a narrative making Dorner a poor little lamb. He had no choice, the police trapped him and just burned the building down after he shot an officer on the scene. He was never given an opportunity to turn himself in peacefully and go through the legal system where he'd have his day in court.

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

So your entire position rests on the police never asking him to come out. That you never heard it reported, and because you never heard it reported, therefore the police never said, come out and surrender.

That's what you are going on? You didn't hear it so you created a narrative making Dorner a poor little lamb. He had no choice, the police trapped him and just burned the building down after he shot an officer on the scene. He was never given an opportunity to turn himself in peacefully and go through the legal system where he'd have his day in court.

Show me the source that shows the attempt, and I'll change my tune. I've shown you a source indicating they were screaming to burn it, and the top cop at the press conference described the sequence of tear gas usage, and ignored the reporter when he asked if there was any attempt to get him to surrender. You'll never get me to say I support Dorner. But I'll defend his 5th Amendment right to due process forever. If you think my concern is for Dorner, you have a comprehension problem.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Substitute Dorner for an inner city drug dealer, pimp, petty thief...

I must have missed all the threads about those Heroes gunned down in cold blood every single day by police in Chicago, New York, Boston, Dallas, LA.

All those innocent fallen heroes killed by power-hungry cops, oh the outrage in all the threads I must have missed.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by ZOA NOM

Show me the source that shows the attempt, and I'll change my tune. I've shown you a source indicating they were screaming to burn it, and the top cop at the press conference described the sequence of tear gas usage, and ignored the reporter when he asked if there was any attempt to get him to surrender.

no you won't. you've fabricated a comfortable story for yourself. nothing will sway you from idolizing Dorner as a hero.

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

no you won't. you've fabricated a comfortable story for yourself. nothing will sway you from idolizing Dorner as a hero.

LOL

Sorry, not biting

[rusnak]

Actually the PD did use loudspeakers to try to get him to come out of the cabin. I don't think they tried very hard though, and then they rammed the walls down with an armored vehicle, so they really weren't ever "negotiating".

ZOA is not idolizing Dorner, what he's saying is that we are a nation of laws, and everyone deserves equal treatment under the law.

I agree the cops dished out a bit of street justice, no question about that. But this case is so extreme, is there a slippery slope? Or should this be a lesson to crazy folk to not go bat***** unless you want to die....

[Shaun @ Tru6]

There you go. Change your tune. Retract everything, stop idolizing a killer and demonizing police doing their jobs.

Originally Posted by ZOA NOM

LOL

Sorry, not biting

Originally Posted by rusnak

Actually the PD did use loudspeakers to try to get him to come out of the cabin. I don't think they tried very hard though, and then they rammed the walls down with an armored vehicle, so they really weren't ever "negotiating".

ZOA is not idolizing Dorner, what he's saying is that we are a nation of laws, and everyone deserves equal treatment under the law.

I agree the cops dished out a bit of street justice, no question about that. But this case is so extreme, is there a slippery slope? Or should this be a lesson to crazy folk to not go bat***** unless you want to die....

When you are told to come out by police and instead you shoot them, your actions mean that there is a strong likelihood you will be shot and killed by the police.

Actions have consequences.

Man, all the bleeding heart liberals on this board coddling a killer who had every opportunity to peacefully turn himself in over the course of a week is, frankly, frightening. it's not his fault though, I know, his mom didn't hug him enough.

[HardDrive]

This thread makes me want to vomit. Dorner deserved what he got.

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by rusnak

ZOA is not idolizing Dorner, what he's saying is that we are a nation of laws, and everyone deserves equal treatment under the law.

Precisely, and it's not very comforting to know that the police will make a specific choice to kill someone when they don't have to.