So Bob Barker has a ship named after him....mixes it up with Japanese Whalers

[slakjaw]

Hahahahahahahahaha

[944Larry]

Originally Posted by Joe Bob

I look at if from this point of view....the rest of the world looks down on whale and dolphin killing, harvesting or whatever you want to call the death of aquatic mammals.

Japan is in another country's waters and they are they are doing above....they send an armed naval vessel. The Australian government isn't responding and citizen's of the world are attempting to prevent them from doing the above.....

Sounds like the Wizard of Oz needs to stop smoking a bowl and referee the scuffle....

What the Australians gonna' do-they gave up their guns!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fred cook

The Japanese have permits to take a certain number of certain types of whales each year. As long as they are not poaching and are hunting during the correct season, then they are not breaking any laws. However, the tree huggers or in this case the whale huggers are preventing or trying to prevent these folks from earning their living. Personally, I cheered when the tri-hulled boat got hit and sank!!! Too bad the Japanese Navy won't send along a destroyer or other gunboat to protect the whale ships.

You're serious? Japanese Navy?

From what I understand of the local media here, the Japanese whaling fleets are operating illegally in Australian territorial waters. Essentially, they are poaching, killing a protected species and they're doing it in another country's backyard. They're farming the wrong kind of whales and they're doing it very aggressively, as if the rules apply to everyone except them. Why would their Navy support outlaw behaviour?

Our government here is too obsessed with clinging to power and is far too distracted to deal with it.

The Japanese have made specific scientific claims are that they require a particular ear-bone of the whale. It's all bullschit, as if that was all they were after, they'd throw the carcass overboard, right? I've seen whalemeat on sale in Tokyo, it's a high delicacy and they charge a fortune for it, somewhere near $1000/lb back when I was in Japan last.

[944Larry]

That Sea Shepard bunch acts a little too crazy to suit me. Somebody is definately going to be killed before this is over. If what the Japanese is doing is illegal, it should be persued through the courts.

[slakjaw]

You mean throwing stink bombs isn't going to work? Hahaha... I can't believe they actually do that. They are terrorists with stink bombs and an old boat.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by 944Larry

That Sea Shepard bunch acts a little too crazy to suit me. Somebody is definately going to be killed before this is over. If what the Japanese is doing is illegal, it should be persued through the courts.

I'd agree that the courts are the place to settle it but would imagine that's been tried. After that, there's something admirable about intelligent, rational people willing to go down swinging for something they believe in...something that others won't stand up for...something that should not be happening (assuming the treaty is as represented here).

[stealthn]

As stated in the other thread they're all idiots!

If the sea shepperd loosers wanted to make a difference, they would board the ship that rammed them fully armed and take out the entire whaler crew based an maritime law.

[Christien]

Originally Posted by pavulon

there's something admirable about intelligent, rational people willing to go down swinging for something they believe in...something that others won't stand up for...something that should not be happening (assuming the treaty is as represented here).

+1. The world needs more people like that.

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by slakjaw

You mean throwing stink bombs isn't going to work? Hahaha... I can't believe they actually do that. They are terrorists with stink bombs and an old boat.

Im not sure youre terribly well informed on this matter.

[slakjaw]

Have you seen the show? Wtf you guys? They throw stink bombs at the whalers. There it was plain as day on my TV. The terrorists comment is just me making fun of these retards who are not rational or intelligent individuals. They rammed the whalers boat once. That's super rational thinking..

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You mean throwing stink bombs isn't going to work? Hahaha... I can't believe they actually do that. They are terrorists with stink bombs and an old boat.

Im not sure youre terribly well informed on this matter.

[slakjaw]

Someone should do a study on why some people latch onto one certain animal and decide to attempt to defend it. It blows my mind how one guy will latch onto seal clubbing and another whales. These dudes will debate each other on which is more important of a cause and why. I find it to be crazy.

[MRM]

They whalers are breaking international law but they are not breaking Japanese law, which is how they get away with it. They live in Japan and the ships are flagged in Japan, and they stay in Japanese jurisdictions or open sea where there is no jurisdiction, so international law can't touch them. The international law the Japanese are breaking is almost unanimously considered legitimate by the other countries of the world, which kind of makes Japan a pariah on this issue. From a legal standpoint its not much different than crimes against humanity; there's a world-wide concensus against it and it is against international law, but thug dictators get away with it because it isn't against their country's laws, and they don't allow themselves to get into jurisdictions where they could be prosecuted.

Interestingly, the same legal analysis supports the legal right of the whale protectors to intervene to save the lives of whales. It is illegal in their country and in international law to hunt whale, and it is legal to protect whales in the home country. Therefore it is legal to extend the right of self defense to the defense of a third party, and use all equal and oposite force to protect whales.

Who cares if it is a cultural tradition to hunt whale? It is a cultural tradition in certain parts of the world to hunt and eat humans or display their scalps as trophies, but canabilism has been universaly outlawed. Whales are sentient creatures and are too high up the evolutionary chain to allow to be hunted. It is morally wrong to hunt whales, and it is imoral to a degree that any human ought to be able to appreciate. That's basically the definition of crimes against humanity, which the world governments adopted as per se illegal and having universal jurisdition. And not just universal jurisdiction for prosecution, but universal requirements to take action to prevent.

So while they may be tacky and I wouldn't invite them around for dinner and drinks in polite company, the Sea Shepards of the world are legit and are doing good work. BTW, their actions are completely defensible under US law, but would get a prison term in Japan. Under international law the whalers whould be in the dock at the Hauge if someone placed them under arrest and dragged them back to Europe.

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by slakjaw

Someone should do a study on why some people latch onto one certain animal and decide to attempt to defend it. It blows my mind how one guy will latch onto seal clubbing and another whales. These dudes will debate each other on which is more important of a cause and why. I find it to be crazy.

Whaling is banned by international treaty. If youve a problem with that, take it up with your Govt. The Japanese are whaling inside a declared international sanctuary. Here, Sea Shepherd are interfering with the Japanese fleet conducting illegal heavy re-fueling inside a the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.

Sea Shepherd aims to disrupt the Japanese whale hunt, and prevent the fleet taking whales. Sea Shepherd has rammed Japanese whale ships many times.

Sea Shepherd is not a protest organisation.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Icemaster

Shooting poachers on sight is too humane.

Yes. Seeing them all drown with broken limbs would be about right.

[slakjaw]

Ok. And?

Quote de slakjaw

Someone should do a study on why some people latch onto one certain animal and decide to attempt to defend it. It blows my mind how one guy will latch onto seal clubbing and another whales. These dudes will debate each other on which is more important of a cause and why. I find it to be crazy.

Whaling is banned by international treaty. If youve a problem with that, take it up with your Govt. The Japanese are whaling inside a declared international sanctuary. Here, Sea Shepherd are interfering with the Japanese fleet conducting illegal heavy re-fueling inside a the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.

Sea Shepherd aims to disrupt the Japanese whale hunt, and prevent the fleet taking whales. Sea Shepherd has rammed Japanese whale ships many times.

Sea Shepherd is not a protest organisation.

[slakjaw]

I'm done with this thread. I refuse to share in this fantasy some of you guys are in. Throwing stink bombs at them is never going to work. Boarding and taking possession of their ships might make an impact and if they are really willing to "risk their lives" piracy would be included. This is why I make fun of them. It's really that silly.

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by slakjaw

I'm done with this thread. I refuse to share in this fantasy some of you guys are in. Throwing stink bombs at them is never going to work. Boarding and taking possession of their ships might make an impact and if they are really willing to "risk their lives" piracy would be included. This is why I make fun of them. It's really that silly.

Making it unsustainable, economically and politically, for Japan to run a whale hunt might.

Your lack of an informed opinion means everyone else's is fantasy, apparently. Bye, then.

[944Larry]

Originally Posted by pavulon

I'd agree that the courts are the place to settle it but would imagine that's been tried. After that, there's something admirable about intelligent, rational people willing to go down swinging for something they believe in...something that others won't stand up for...something that should not be happening (assuming the treaty is as represented here).

You're right, I'll defer to you on your points. They're well made. I just think they're acting goofy and somebody is going to get killed before this is over. Of course, it is their life and if they're willing to give it for a cause, I sure can't cry foul.

[slakjaw]

And throwing stink bombs is going to do that? Dude, get real. Either they go do what it takes or they throw stink bombs.

You are in a fantasy world. Sound good?

[Joe Bob]

The original "Americans" that inhabited the plains had it right. They used pretty much every part of the Buffalo.

Harvesting animals and tossing usable items is not a sustainable way of doing things. The "Coboys" of yore and the Dime Novels were essentially governmental supplemented assassins.

Some of the shooters took skins but most left them to rot, they shot them from trains....long distance shooters took them out and the dumass grazers had no idea what hit them.....the decimated herds then provided no sustenance to the Plains nomads. That and blankets given away "free" that were used by smallpox and measles patients were what won the west. It wasn't the gun....

With the population the way it is.....taking whales and whatever w/o using all the resources is not smart...if you HAVE to kill, maintain the line, use it all and somehow make it better down the line.

Once a population is dead....they are dead.....

What is left of the southern american plains nomads are taking over by breeding the conquerors out of oblivion. Middle class will limit their progeny. Rich douche nozzles will breed dilettantish effete twits.

Geronimo WILL rise again....but they will have 20% of his DNA.