So Bob Barker has a ship named after him....mixes it up with Japanese Whalers - Page 3

stuartj · 02-25-2013, 07:49 PM

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And throwing stink bombs is going to do that? Dude, get real. Either they go do what it takes or they throw stink bombs.

You are in a fantasy world. Sound good?

You really arent very well informed.

slakjaw · 02-25-2013, 08:01 PM

You have said that twice now Stuart. I guess that's all you got. For shame.

rusnak · 02-25-2013, 08:02 PM

I want to point out: taking a little boat out to sea + ram much, much bigger boat = not shmart!

The Japanese guys should shoot a tow line on SS's comm tower and rip it off

stuartj · 02-25-2013, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by slakjaw

You have said that twice now Stuart. I guess that's all you got. For shame.

If you think SS are about stink bombs, and you dont understand or acknowledge that Japan is whaling illegally, it makes discussing the matter with you quite pointless.

So, bye. You said you were going.

slakjaw · 02-25-2013, 08:28 PM

I don't care if Japan is doing it illegally or not, neither do they. It would be great if they stopped. Sorry to be a realist and ruin your fantasy. Whales will continue to be hunted and killed until your hippie friends man up. Sorry you are unable to discuss anything that does not fit into your fantasy of whatever these guys are.

Joe Bob · Joe Bob's Garage

SJ, you just made it to the dumbdouchenozzle list.....

The way the world is going right now....global warming is the least of our worries.....

slakjaw · 02-25-2013, 08:34 PM

Personal attack reported - mod please remove.

stuartj · 02-25-2013, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by slakjaw

I don't care if Japan is doing it illegally or not, neither do they. It would be great if they stopped. Sorry to be a realist and ruin your fantasy. Whales will continue to be hunted and killed until your hippie friends man up. Sorry you are unable to discuss anything that does not fit into your fantasy of whatever these guys are.

Oh, you do want to discuss it now. Make up or your mind.

SSCS is an activist group funded by donation. They are international volunteers - tree huggers- disrupting the actions of a Govt (the Japan whale fleet is Govt run). breaching international treaty, and ll the while using the full resources of a sovereign Govt legally against Sea Shepherd. Paul Watson is a US citizen, and I think at present he cannot travel to the US because of Japanese legal action against him personally in the USA.

SSCS use the full extent of Maritime and international law to disrupt the Japanese whaling fleet, and to generate negtive publicity for the Japanese Govt. In 2012 the Japanese fleet hardly killed a whale.

You seem to be suggesting SSCS should be firing torpedos or something. Youre quite entitled to your view, and you may disgree with SSCS or with conservation generally but I think the real problem is that youre a bit of a dill.

stuartj · 02-25-2013, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Bob

SJ, you just made it to the dumbdouchenozzle list.....

The way the world is going right now....global warming is the least of our worries.....

Generally, or for some specific reason? How did global warming enter the discussion?

Are you fellows drinking tonight?

Edit: Sorry JoeBob- did you mean SlakJaw or StuartJ? LOLS

slakjaw · 02-25-2013, 08:46 PM

Yes that's it I am a dill Stuart. Good one. Now I'm off to go donate money to whoever is killing whales. Just to piss you off. I'll even mail you the receipt.

Head416 · Head416's Garage

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Personal attack reported - mod please remove.

Seriously?

slakjaw · 02-25-2013, 08:58 PM

No it's all good now. All I see is. "So and so is on your ignore list"

stuartj · 02-25-2013, 09:01 PM

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Yes that's it I am a dill Stuart. Good one. Now I'm off to go donate money to whoever is killing whales. Just to piss you off. I'll even mail you the receipt.

Good, we can agree then. You are indeed a dill.

But seriously, what is it? Did you have a great grandfather on the Pequod, perhaps?

RWebb · RWebb's Garage

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Originally Posted by stuartj

Paul Watson is a US citizen, and I think at present he cannot travel to the US because of Japanese legal action against him personally in the USA.

not sure about 2013, but I attended a talk he gave right here in river city 2-3 years ago

RWebb · RWebb's Garage

Japan had a whale quota in 2012, dunno re 2013

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=4&gs_ri=psy-ab&gs_mss=japanese%20whale%20q&tok=hC-GmRvYcvdAQnWqstv9Pg&cp=25&gs_id=5c&xhr=t&q=japanese+whale+quota+2012&es_nrs=true&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=japanese+whale+quota+2012&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42965579,d.cGE&fp=517dd349d85c70a3&ion=1&biw=1188&bih=642

that does not mean they can go into a protected sanctuary - if it was up to me I'd sink theirs whaling ships

stuartj · 09:20 PM

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not sure about 2013, but I attended a talk he gave right here in river city 2-3 years ago

I was wrong, he is Canadian not a US citizen. Watson has stepped down from many roles in SSCS following action in Costa Rica, and SSCS has restructured moving entities and activities to other jurisdications like AUS following a US court decsion late last year.

Under a ruling by the US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit Sea Shepherd must stay at least 500 metres from whaling vessels and is prohibited from physically confronting any vessel engaged by the Japanese.

It is also banned from “navigating in a manner that is likely to endanger the safe navigation of any such vessel” under the court's order, issued last month.

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So the entities taking action in teh Southern Ocean now is SSCS Australia, I believe, to evade the US court ruling.

Bob Brown to steer Sea Shepherd after legal issues force Paul Watson to step down From: AFP January 08, 2013 4:07PM Increase Text SizeDecrease Text SizePrintEmail
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FORMER Greens leader Bob Brown is to take over as a leader of the militant anti-whaling group Sea Shepherd after its fugitive founder Paul Watson stepped down.
Mr Watson, a Canadian, is wanted by Interpol after skipping bail last July in Germany, where he was arrested on Costa Rican charges relating to a high-seas confrontation over shark finning in 2002.

Due to a raft of legal issues he has stepped down as president of the group in the US and Australia, and as captain of flagship anti-hunt vessel the “Steve Irwin”, although he will remain with the fleet during this year's campaign.

Mr Watson's whereabouts had been a mystery until December, when he confirmed he was back on board a Sea Shepherd vessel and ready for the group's annual Southern Ocean expedition against the Japanese whaling fleet.

Sea Shepherd said he would take a back seat in the chase, with Mr Brown - the founder and long-time leader of the Greens - to direct operations.

...“I am honoured to serve the great whales of the Southern Ocean and Sea Shepherd in this way,” said Mr Brown, a renowned conservationist.

The vessel Steve Irwin will be captained by Indian sailor Siddharth Chakravarty, formerly the ship's first officer, with Mr Watson to “remain aboard to document the campaign”.

Sea Shepherd Australia director Jeff Hansen will co-direct the anti-whaling campaign, and said the change in leadership was a natural evolution given the Australian chapter's heavy involvement and the continent's proximity to Antarctica.

Mr Hansen said Mr Watson's legal problems had played a part in the decision.

“We obviously always want to stay within the law in everything that we do, and in order for us to stay within the law Sea Shepherd Australia is taking over the leadership of this campaign, the management of this campaign and Paul will step down from the board in Australia and in America,” Mr Hansen said.

Under a ruling by the US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit Sea Shepherd must stay at least 500 metres from whaling vessels and is prohibited from physically confronting any vessel engaged by the Japanese.

It is also banned from “navigating in a manner that is likely to endanger the safe navigation of any such vessel” under the court's order, issued last month.

Sea Shepherd claims to have saved the lives of 4,000 whales over the past eight whaling seasons, mounting ever-greater campaigns of harassment against the Japanese harpoon fleet.

It says this year's will be its biggest yet, involving four ships, a helicopter, three drones and more than 100 crew members.

Tokyo claims it catches whales for scientific research -- a loophole in the international ban on whaling -- but makes no secret of the fact that they ultimately end up on dinner plates.

The whaling fleet left Japan for the Southern Ocean in late December, planning to catch up to 935 Antarctic minke whales and up to 50 fin whales.

AFP

stuartj · 02-25-2013, 09:37 PM

JoeBob- about three years ago I had dinner with a man who was a United Nations lawyer, seconded to the IWC, negotiating with AUS and JPN over whaling. Its unbelievably complicated. This will be a technical thing, I'd guess there is a US SSCS entity that exists to raise money, own assets (ships) etc. That entity can be affected by a US court. Seems those assets may been transferred to SSCS Australia, with whom Watson is no longer affiliated.

In short, Sea Shepherd is just behaving like a multintional corporation.

Lawyer, mentioned above, btw, was of the view that if you want to actually stop Japan whaling, SSCS is doing more harm than good. The Japanese will not back from whaling while SSCS is in their face. "Face" being the operative word.

creaturecat · 02-26-2013, 05:11 AM

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Personal attack reported - mod please remove.

poor baby.

GWN7 · 02-26-2013, 05:43 AM

Just a point....why are the Japanese killing whales at the South Pole? Is it possibly because they have killed all the whales in the Northern Pacific waters? Remember it's just for research......

slakjaw · 02-26-2013, 08:13 AM

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poor baby.

Move this to PARF and I will have a reply to that. OT is not the place to be telling people to **** off and calling them douche bags and what not. Dry your teary eyes and bring it if you got something to say. otherwise keep it to yourself, child.