Meet The 'Liberator': Test-Firing The World's First Fully 3D-Printed Gun

[matt711]

If you look at the ATF rules it is completely legal for an individual to make their own firearm (for personal use and not for resale) at home.

It is not at all difficult to rent time on a CNC machine, at least two within a few miles of my house and I don't live in a major city. You can purchase a partially machined AR upper and lower reciever for under $100. A CNC can complete the machining in under 30 minutes. The remaining parts can be purchased used for less than $250.

The only person that would go to all that trouble is a hobbiest. A criminal would just find a gun from another criminal.

[matt711]

3D printers wil not be the next evil thing that needs regulating... All it produces is an airsoft weapon. You can already buy them cheap. The plastic BBs they shoot do sting a little but not enough to bring down a 747.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by matt711

If you look at the ATF rules it is completely legal for an individual to make their own firearm (for personal use and not for resale) at home.

It is not at all difficult to rent time on a CNC machine, at least two within a few miles of my house and I don't live in a major city. You can purchase a partially machined AR upper and lower reciever for under $100. A CNC can complete the machining in under 30 minutes. The remaining parts can be purchased used for less than $250.

The only person that would go to all that trouble is a hobbiest. A criminal would just find a gun from another criminal.

Or steal them from a cop


Police: Gun used to kill boxer Tony Martin stolen from cop


Police: Gun used to kill boxer Tony Martin stolen from cop
Police believe the weapon that killed a retired boxer was stolen from a Philadelphia officer last fall.
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[911_Dude]

Originally Posted by 911_Dude

I want one of these printers. But as soon as people start to get killed by these printed guns the feds will make them as illegal as fully automatic weapons. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by Zeke

That's like saying you can't buy a lathe and mill for home use. Never happen. In fact, you can get a permit to make your own silencer.

I guess I wasn't very clear. I meant the guns will be illegal, of course not the printers.

First let me say I own several guns, so Im not anti-gun. But I think a lot of posts are missing the point of all the noise about these printed guns. Yes, you can make your own guns now, yes there may be a machinist on every street, yes you can buy machine gun parts and put them together and walk around in the privacy of your own home with what ever you want. But if you walk around in public with a silenced gun or full auto gun and you dont have documentation to have that, you get in a boat load of trouble. Not so with these printed guns. It is part the truth and part political perception that these types of guns are different than in the past.

The ease of making them, the untraceability and undetectability make them perfect weapons for taking into a bank, courtroom, airport, whatever, and popping whoever has pissed off the psycho of the day. The fact that they may only shoot one round reliably is not a factor.

The cats out of the bag, as far as the existence of these things. They wont go away. But I bet, weather you agree with it or not, that all sorts of laws will pop up surrounding these guns that will simply drive them (the gun development) underground.

[911_Dude]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

http://news.yahoo.com/video/police-gun-used-kill-boxer-224149922.html

If thats how he holds an AK, he better go for the broom....

[matt711]

Nothing wrong with the way he is holding the AK, griping just forward of the magazine keeps your elbow in close to your body and presents a smaller target. This technique is becoming more popular along with griping way out toward the end of the forend.

[matt711]

And this technique. Im still not comfortable with either though.

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by 911_Dude

I guess I wasn't very clear. I meant the guns will be illegal, of course not the printers.

First let me say I own several guns, so Im not anti-gun. But I think a lot of posts are missing the point of all the noise about these printed guns. Yes, you can make your own guns now, yes there may be a machinist on every street, yes you can buy machine gun parts and put them together and walk around in the privacy of your own home with what ever you want. But if you walk around in public with a silenced gun or full auto gun and you dont have documentation to have that, you get in a boat load of trouble. Not so with these printed guns. It is part the truth and part political perception that these types of guns are different than in the past.

The ease of making them, the untraceability and undetectability make them perfect weapons for taking into a bank, courtroom, airport, whatever, and popping whoever has pissed off the psycho of the day. The fact that they may only shoot one round reliably is not a factor.

The cats out of the bag, as far as the existence of these things. They wont go away. But I bet, weather you agree with it or not, that all sorts of laws will pop up surrounding these guns that will simply drive them (the gun development) underground.

This is precisely the point.

Anyone can now manufacture their own weapon with ease, and without skill, without any markings or trace-ability. The government cannot possibly know where they are, or how many you make. The point is that the laws will no longer matter, effectively. Confiscation, bans, buy-back programs, none of it.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by ZOA NOM

This is precisely the point.

Anyone can now manufacture their own weapon with ease, and without skill, without any markings or trace-ability. The government cannot possibly know where they are, or how many you make. The point is that the laws will no longer matter, effectively. Confiscation, bans, buy-back programs, none of it.

anyone always could. nothing has changed.

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

anyone always could. nothing has changed.

What has changed is the minds of the regular folks who never would have even considered building a gun. They can now press a button, and many of them will, so plenty has changed.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by ZOA NOM

What has changed is the minds of the regular folks who never would have even considered building a gun. They can now press a button, and many of them will, so plenty has changed.

after they buy a 3D printer ....

again, be much cheaper, much easier, and you can build a better gun, without a 3D printer.

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

after they buy a 3D printer ....

again, be much cheaper, much easier, and you can build a better gun, without a 3D printer.

of course you can, but many don't because of the complexity. The printers will not be exclusively for printing guns. They will be mainstream items in most homes very soon. Simply download the CAD file here, and press "print". A whole new ballgame, whether you like it or not.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by ZOA NOM

of course you can, but many don't because of the complexity. The printers will not be exclusively for printing guns. They will be mainstream items in most homes very soon. Simply download the CAD file here, and press "print". A whole new ballgame, whether you like it or not.

since its not a new ballgame ....

you could always build a gun yourself, with little to no knowledge, that is still better then this POS 3D printed one. there is nothing game changing about this.

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

since its not a new ballgame ....

you could always build a gun yourself, with little to no knowledge, that is still better then this POS 3D printed one. there is nothing game changing about this.

Well, then I guess there's no need to legislate anything. Thanks for enlightening me.

[matt711]

I predict that the primary use of 3D printers in the future will be 30 year old "kids" living in their parents basement "printing" sex toys and action figures... of William Shatner.

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by matt711

I predict that the primary use of 3D printers in the future will be 30 year old "kids" living in their parents basement "printing" sex toys and action figures... of William Shatner.

yeah, so?

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by ZOA NOM

Well, then I guess there's no need to legislate anything. Thanks for enlightening me.

there is certainly no need to legislate 3D printed **** boxes of guns

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

there is certainly no need to legislate 3D printed **** boxes of guns

well, not yet, after all, it's the very first one. you certainly don't think they will improve will they?

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by ZOA NOM

well, not yet, after all, it's the very first one. you certainly don't think they will improve will they?

to be better then one you can make on a manual lathe and mill from some pretty basic parts?

no

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

to be better then one you can make on a manual lathe and mill from some pretty basic parts?

no

no, just good enough to be reliable, and attractive enough for folks without a lathe/mill (pretty much most people)

that's the beauty of home manufacturing, you can print as many as you like, and modify them, and pick lots of cool colors for the kids


did you look through the website? the guy fired 600 rounds through a printed AR-15 receiver without any issues. The technology isn't going away.