Gun in bars...I just don't understand...it... - Page 3

KFC911 · 07-26-2013, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Flieger

Thought the title said guns in bras. Very disappointed.

"Huns in Bras"....sorry for my typos

emcon5 · emcon5's Garage

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Originally Posted by KC911

Nor has NOT having a gun in a bar....not in my lifetime

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What about restaurants that happen to server beer and wine?

ben parrish · 07-26-2013, 12:40 PM

Non issue..been carrying in bars, restaurants, public buildings, etc. for years. No one knows because I have never needed it. Rather have to explain the reason I had the gun where it wasn't supposed to be than not have the gun if I really needed it.
Why is it that those that don't believe in carrying feel the necessity to see the worst case scerenio for those that do? Law abiding citizens are not the problem...criminals are.

KFC911 · 07-26-2013, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by emcon5

What about restaurants that happen to server beer and wine?

I'd be OK with that....I'm talking about bars/strip clubs/etc. You know...the places where fights between drunks ONLY occur after midnight

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p911dad · p911dad's Garage

FWIW, the new NC law states that CCW is still not allowed in bars or restaurants if the owner of the establishment posts a notice prohibiting weapons. The law also allows CCW in parks, greenways and storage in locked vehicles on school or public university campuses. This according the Charlotte Observer newspaper. The governor refused to sign the bill when it also removed background checks and local Sheriff control of permits, so that language was removed from the bill that was signed into law.

KFC911 · 07-26-2013, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ben parrish

...Why is it that those that don't believe in carrying feel the necessity to see the worst case scerenio for those that do? Law abiding citizens are not the problem...criminals are.

If the "bar" for self defense is lowered to the point that a "bar fight" produces a gun and somehow that is legally OK...that's when I have a problem. I don't hang out in bars (anymore)...but don't like it based upon my life experiences.

KFC911 · 07-26-2013, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by p911dad

FWIW, the new NC law states that CCW is still not allowed in bars or restaurants if the owner of the establishment posts a notice prohibiting weapons. The law also allows CCW in parks, greenways and storage in locked vehicles on school or public university campuses. This according the Charlotte Observer newspaper. The governor refused to sign the bill when it also removed background checks and local Sheriff control of permits, so that language was removed from the bill that was signed into law.

Didn't know it had already been signed...that was quick!

ps: I'm OK with everything in it except for pure "drinking establishments"....

BlueSkyJaunte · 07-26-2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KC911

Nope...I just believe in reasonable controls. May I ask, why would one "desire" to go into a bar (without drinking) and "carry". "Because I can"....just doesn't sit too well with me when it comes to guns and bars.

Some people carry everywhere they are legally permitted to. That is their right. Who are you to question why they should wish to exercise their rights?

KFC911 · 07-26-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte

Some people carry everywhere they are legally permitted to. That is their right. Who are you to question why they should wish to exercise their rights?

I don't, nor will I since this law has been signed, but simply disagree with that portion of the law. "If it ain't broke..." is my take, and NOT having "legal" guns in bars has never presented a problem in my lifetime of experiences. Never known anyone who's been killed in a bar either where a CCW would have made a difference. If there weren't some real idiots out there who don't use "common sense", then I probably wouldn't care in this matter either

ps: Would you abide by a bar owner's "sign"? Some on this board have stated they do/will not. What should the consequences be? If I were a bar owner, the LAST thing I would want is patrons "carrying"...YMMV.

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

Short of metal detectors at the door or a class A felony charge, I don't see how anyone can keep guns out of bars. Bad guys will ignore the signs. And a lot of good guys will too.

I usually ignore the gunbusters signs because I don't feel like walking back to my car if it's a place I didn't know bans guns until I get inside and find the sign. Though the vast majority of places in AZ with such signs have them improperly displayed, such that it can't be considered "proper notice" under the law. I saw a handwritten one at a pizza place, which was just laughable.

Also depends on what I'm wearing. Concealed means concealed. What people don't know can't hurt them. I don't go on benders in bars, but it's silly to have to be disarmed while having a glass of wine with dinner, when it's perfeclty legal to drive home in a two ton missile after my BAC has peaked from said glass of wine.

Why not just put up signs that say "no shooting, no gun play, no fighting, no lawbreaking?" People aren't going to act any differently because you put up a sign banning that which is already illegal.

ben parrish · 07-26-2013, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KC911

If the "bar" for self defense is lowered to the point that a "bar fight" produces a gun and somehow that is legally OK...that's when I have a problem. I don't hang out in bars (anymore)...but don't like it based upon my life experiences.

Good point. I also don't hang out it bars and can't remember the last time I was in one past midnight. As mom used to say, only trouble stays out past midnight.

KFC911 · 07-26-2013, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Short of metal detectors at the door or a class A felony charge, I don't see how anyone can keep guns out of bars. Bad guys will ignore the signs. And a lot of good guys will too.

I usually ignore the gunbusters signs because I don't feel like....

That's it "in a nutshell"...one can't "prevent" anything by having laws but I do believe that some laws actually encourage "stupid behavior" by SOME folks. I'd like to see that minimized. It's the "appropriate penalty" that I'm in favor of. Everyone is a "good guy" up until the point they are "not" anymore. I would suggest that more guns around folks who are drinking is simply not a good combination....YMMV.

ps: Pull a gun in a "bar fight" when the other guys is getting the best of you...then go to jail imo. Your life was NOT endangered

speeder · speeder's Garage

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Short of metal detectors at the door or a class A felony charge, I don't see how anyone can keep guns out of bars.

Metal detectors are exactly what we used when I was working the front door of a large club approx. 20 years ago...what's so difficult for you to wrap your head around that? The last thing on earth you want in a club or bar is armed patrons and not knowing who is armed or not. I'd love to hear your fantasy scenario of how having a gun in a bar would come in handy...in a crowded room full of moving people...let's hear it.

You are truly on the lunatic fringe of gun owners with your armed trips to the mailbox in front of your house and describing how riding around on your motorcycle with a gun on your hip gives you a tiny hard-on when you think it offends someone. I own guns and I think you're a nut.

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

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Originally Posted by speeder

You are truly on the lunatic fringe of gun owners with your armed trips to the mailbox in front of your house and describing how riding around on your motorcycle with a gun on your hip gives you a tiny hard-on when you think it offends someone. I own guns and I think you're a nut.

Wow dude. You shouldn't own guns at all. I don't know why I bother re-explaining this, but I very occasionally carry to the mailbox because I go there between parking in the garage and going into the house and I don't leave my gun in the car. So it goes on the belt. And yes, I just about always carry on the bike, as is legal and common in AZ, because it's pretty hard to draw from concealment under riding gear (or unzip the tank bag in a hurry), especially with gloves on. Please stay away from us lunatics who've never been in trouble with the law, are gainfully employed, don't start fights, don't bother anyone and aren't Internet tough guys. We are the true threats out there.

speeder · speeder's Garage

No, you have stated on numerous occasions here that you get a thrill driving past cars with CA. plates in AZ. with your exposed gun on your hip. You somehow think that it really bothers them and you like that, though how you deduce this while whizzing by on your MC, I will never know.

I was also under the impression that you told us that you would not go get the mail w/o being strapped...my apologies if I got that wrong. But I don't think I did. I don't have the time or even know how to search for old post on here, so this is all from memory.

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

Oh yes. But the only thrill I get out of OC'ing on the bike is outraging drivers with CA or Canadian plates. Thinking you could be one of them would really be a rush. Guilty as charged. Otherwise, it's a matter pure convenience and practicality. Gonna do it tomorrow on a long ride out of the hot climate too.

BTW, my mailbox is not in front of my house. It's down the street and around the corner, so my house and car are out of sight when I go there.

KaptKaos · 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by speeder

Metal detectors are exactly what we used when I was working the front door of a large club approx. 20 years ago...what's so difficult for you to wrap your head around that? The last thing on earth you want in a club or bar is armed patrons and not knowing who is armed or not. I'd love to hear your fantasy scenario of how having a gun in a bar would come in handy...in a crowded room full of moving people...let's hear it.

Wait....

You live in SoCal. Were you working the door of a club in California?

Shaun @ Tru6 · 07-26-2013, 06:59 PM

Guns should definitely be allowed in bars, but the owners must also hire professional instigators. What's the purpose otherwise?

Buckterrier · 07-26-2013, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee

BTW, my mailbox is not in front of my house. It's down the street and around the corner, so my house and car are out of sight when I go there.

Your neighborhood does look menacing. Was that cactus a perp that you actually offed?

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

Actually, my neighborhood is quite nice and the only reason (again) I take gun to the mailbox is because I don't leave it my car, especially with garage door open when I have to walk out of sight of both. But then I have seen people out pushing baby strollers with a pistol strapped to the belt. So that tends to remind the riff raff to stick with the bars.