Gun in bars...I just don't understand...it...

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

...my neighborhood is quite nice...I have seen people out pushing baby strollers with a pistol strapped to the belt. So that tends to remind the riff raff to stick with the bars.

Sooo, lemme try to grasp what you're saying; your "quite nice" neighborhood, gun totin' baby stroller pushers patrol your "quite nice" neighborhood to intimidate your "quite nice" neighborhood riff raff, reminding them to stick with the ("quite nice" neighborhood, riff raff) bars?

Hmmm...sounds like low income Scumdale, definitely not Scottsdale, right?

[Racerbvd]

Well, as I'm pretty sure everyone knows, I have pretty strong opinions when it comes to the 2nd & CCW laws, very pro for both, and as some know, my work has had me in bars for close to 30 years, but, I have NEVER taken any of my weapons into a bar, drinking & guns don't mix, IMPO, but I do know some who do have legitimate reasons to need to carry in a bar (think owner). I made it a personal policy to take my weapon home, on the rare occasions (when I had to take care of the bank, or was on a buying trip with lots of cash on me) I do carry, to go home 1st & safely store my weapon. That is just how I do it, even though I don't drink anymore, I still won't carry in a bar, legal or not, but again, that is my personal choice.

[Flieger]

I also fail to see why it is necessary to have a firearm 24/7. I've gone 23 years without one and I feel fine. Haven't been mugged. No paranoia. If you really do live in a nice neighborhood I don't see why.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by Flieger

I also fail to see why it is necessary to have a firearm 24/7. I've gone 23 years without one and I feel fine. Haven't been mugged. No paranoia. If you really do live in a nice neighborhood I don't see why.

Because sometime your job takes you to "not" nice areas, and in a really nice neighborhood, people from not nice neighborhoods come there since we have better stuff.. This typically happens in "Old Money" neighborhoods and yes, I lived in one and there was a rash of crimes, not just B&Es, but beating elderly home owners & forcing them to make cash withdraws.

[krystar]

Originally Posted by Flieger

I also fail to see why it is necessary to have a firearm 24/7. I've gone 23 years without one and I feel fine. Haven't been mugged. No paranoia. If you really do live in a nice neighborhood I don't see why.

maybe because yer just lucky. if your neighborhood/town has a police bulletin email, subscribe to it.

i grew up on south side of chicago in hyde park. it's a university neighborhood. but it's surrounding on 3 sides by ghetto. just because i live on "this" side of the street doesn't mean ghetto on the "other" side of the street doesn't affect us. we used to hear regularly of people getting mugged on the street during daylight and twilight hours. we knew not to cross 59th street, 47th street, cottage grove or else we'd be on the "other side". a family friend got mugged inside his own apt building in broad daylight. the guy walked in the door behind him, beat him unconcious and stole his wallet with $20.

if u just look at the weekly chicago crimes that DON'T happen in the ghetto, you know you're not on a happy little island. last year was subway muggings and street purse snatchers. just this week there's an alert for a series of violent muggings on the lakeside jogging/biking trail.

yea it's safer nowadays than back in the 90's, but it's not all hunky dory. not paranoid, but just aware.

[krystar]

https://www.crimereports.com/

just look at the dots. maybe you do live in a really good area that's crimeless. good for you. some of us don't.

[Flieger]

I'm not saying that there aren't places where there is a need, just that if you say you live in a nice area then why are you always carrying?

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

Because sometime your job takes you to "not" nice areas, and in a really nice neighborhood, people from not nice neighborhoods come there since we have better stuff...

Good point, Byron!

We sure do have "better stuff" (and that's DEFINITLEY worth pluggin' riff raff to protect!).

Given that stroller pushers often find themselves inadvertantly wandering off into hostile territory, i see HUGE business oppurtinities for fire arms savvy people (such as yourself, Rick Lee, et al, for example) regarding designing and marketing mil spec mounts for strollers that will accommodate AK's, grenade launchers, etc.

Oh yeah! And a HUGE market for infant's earplugs!

[Jeff Alton]

now, where did I put my popcorn...

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by Jeff Alton

now, where did I put my popcorn...

And why did all your neighbor's lights quickly go off when they heard it POP'in?!!!

How ya doin', Jeff?

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Flieger

I'm not saying that there aren't places where there is a need, just that if you say you live in a nice area then why are you always carrying?

What does where I live have to do with anything? I'm not home 24/7. I do go out every day to run errands. Think of every mass shooting that continued until the perp ran out of ammo because there was no one there to stop him. Was Sandy Hook in a bad neighborhood? The movie theatre in Aurora, CO? Remember the nutbag that shot up his gym in Pittsburgh? I gigged in the bar across the street from that gym several times. Not a rough neighborhood at all.

I'm not afraid of getting mugged. I don't look like an easy victim and I am super alert at all times. I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy and they aren't always around. I do feel a little better at my own gym, since there are always cops working out there and they are the only guys allowed to carry gym bags on the floor, which I assume is where their gun is. I guess they're paranoid, eh?

[speeder]

Rick, you have about a 100 times better chance of winding up in the ER with your dick caught in your zipper than stopping a mass shooting with your trusty, ever present side arm. You have to play the odds in life.

[Rick Lee]

I sincerely hope you're right. But I have no interest in stopping a mass shooting. I just want the means to protect myself and my wife, especially in places where guns are banned, which tend to be magnets for gun crimes. And my doing so in no way threatens anyone. So you should be fine with it.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by ben parrish

Non issue..been carrying in bars, restaurants, public buildings, etc. for years. No one knows because I have never needed it. Rather have to explain the reason I had the gun where it wasn't supposed to be than not have the gun if I really needed it.
Why is it that those that don't believe in carrying feel the necessity to see the worst case scerenio for those that do? Law abiding citizens are not the problem...criminals are.

But you're not a law abiding citizen.

[speeder]

Easy with the irony there, wrong crowd.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by speeder

Then they should also reinstate all laws from the old west...if someone insults you in the bar, you can go outside and have a duel. If they insult your mother or cheat at poker, a bullet through the head at close range, etc...

Too many movies old man...

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by p911dad

FWIW, the new NC law states that CCW is still not allowed in bars or restaurants if the owner of the establishment posts a notice prohibiting weapons. The law also allows CCW in parks, greenways and storage in locked vehicles on school or public university campuses. This according the Charlotte Observer newspaper. The governor refused to sign the bill when it also removed background checks and local Sheriff control of permits, so that language was removed from the bill that was signed into law.

The bold is massively important. Our school system is massively fouled by behaviorist extremist trying to instill their own set of values, rather than educating on how to read, write, calculate, and useful knowledge.

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[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by speeder

Easy with the irony there, wrong crowd.

It will go right past them.

[KaptKaos]

Still waiting for an answer to this:

Originally Posted by speeder

Metal detectors are exactly what we used when I was working the front door of a large club approx. 20 years ago...what's so difficult for you to wrap your head around that? The last thing on earth you want in a club or bar is armed patrons and not knowing who is armed or not. I'd love to hear your fantasy scenario of how having a gun in a bar would come in handy...in a crowded room full of moving people...let's hear it.

Wait....

You live in SoCal. Were you working the door of a club in California?

[cstreit]

Originally Posted by Flieger

I also fail to see why it is necessary to have a firearm 24/7. I've gone 23 years without one and I feel fine. Haven't been mugged. No paranoia. If you really do live in a nice neighborhood I don't see why.

I fail to see why you have insurance that covers fires in your home. You've gone 23 years without a home fire. It's never burned down. Your not even worried about fires. If you live in a neighborhood free of arsonists, I don't see why you have that insurance.