Fracking, whats the big deal?

[HardDrive]

We are pumping poison into the earth. Future generations will suffer because of our willful ignorance. To believe otherwise is folly.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by BRPORSCHE

You have to remember the depth we are talking about. The reasons the oil companies don't want to provide the information on what else is thrown down the hole is because it's all proprietary. Would you want someone else to be able to publicaly access your very valuable information and then drill a well a mile from you and have success?

Neither would I want them to pump some mystery juice down a hole and end up poisoning someone. They want us to forget Deepwater Horizon and trust them. Nope. They have the potential to harm a lot of people and they need to be 100% transparent about what they are doing. If there is all this competition to come up with the best magic juice then there is all the more motive to cut corners and it is all the more troubling that they won't reveal what's in it.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

We are poor stewards of this planet.

[M.D. Holloway]

Someone please buy my book!!' For God sake BUY THE BOOK!

[Flieger]

Originally Posted by M.D. Holloway

Someone please buy my book!!' For God sake BUY THE BOOK!

Hurry! only 5 left in stock!

[mikesride]

Isn't Halliburton owned by or in part by the Bush family? That's what pisses of the tree huggers the most!!!!

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by M.D. Holloway

Someone please buy my book!!' For God sake BUY THE BOOK!

Dude, it's like $150.00 bucks and I bet there ain't no tits or even cars in it.

[s_morrison57]

Thanks to all that posted.
I meant no offence with the "tree hugger" remark, IMO environmental care is everyone's concern.

Finn

[Rick V]

Originally Posted by MotoSook

Where is the proof? A government audit revealed no harmful agents used beyond trace levels if that. If the EPA had data to show otherwise you can bet your last dime this would all be shut down.

The oil and gas industry is very heavily regulated to ensure the public (and environment) health and safety.

You actually believe that the government has the interests of the people in mind and not the interests of big business?
In a battle between you and a dollar, you will lose every single time if the government is the judge.

[M.D. Holloway]

Quote de M.D. Holloway

Someone please buy my book!!' For God sake BUY THE BOOK!

Dude, it's like $150.00 bucks and I bet there ain't no tits or even cars in it.

Sady you are correct 😣

But the proceeds will go to the titty / car fund!

[MotoSook]

You've obviously never had to deal with government regulators.

Quote de MotoSook

Where is the proof? A government audit revealed no harmful agents used beyond trace levels if that. If the EPA had data to show otherwise you can bet your last dime this would all be shut down.



The oil and gas industry is very heavily regulated to ensure the public (and environment) health and safety.

You actually believe that the government has the interests of the people in mind and not the interests of big business?

In a battle between you and a dollar, you will lose every single time if the government is the judge.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Rick V

You actually believe that the government has the interests of the people in mind and not the interests of big business?
In a battle between you and a dollar, you will lose [almost] every single time if the government is the judge.

I deal with govt. regulators all the time. This post is correct.

[targa911S]

I live in western PA. I have a lease. They hit big about 2 miles from me. However they are having a hard time with getting the pipeline ground bought up so they are drilling and capping but not pumping. Some places here are making $35k a month.

[blk911]

Everyone who has an issue with fracking should just piss off. You dont know what the f you are talking about. I have some petroleum engineering hours to my credit as well as field experience. All acquifers and subteranian water zones are isolated via the wellbore being cased with steel pipe and encapsulated in concrete. The fracking fluids are injected only into petroleum bearing formations. To do otherwise is not economically feasisble. In Texas the Railroad Commission jealousley guards ground water supplies and insures that petroleum exploration does not cause contamination in any water supplies. At the depths we are talking about, any existing water levels are usually fraut with high levels of sulphur, various acids and other hydrocarbons to the extent that they are not and will never be a potable source of water. We can continue to develope secondary and teritary recovery methods for domestic assets or we can continue to fight, finance and generally continue towards economic obvlion by being dependent on foreign sources of petroleum.

[porsche4life]

Originally Posted by blk911

Everyone who has an issue with fracking should just piss off.

Wow... What an educated response....


I'm sorry, but unless you are dependent on groundwater, and live in an area that is being heavily fracked you can piss off!

At this point no one can say for sure what will happen in the long run, so forgive me for being leery and worrying about what could happen to our water supply.

[M.D. Holloway]

hmmmm...I think I can

[M.D. Holloway]

This really funny reading both sides of the concerns. Here is the bottom line...there is no free lunch. Period.

You want warmth, you want electricy, you want a certain way of life you are going to have to pay one way or the other.

Does hydraulic fracturing contribute to poisoning the water table? earthquakes? hydrocarbon release? use up water?

Yes, of course it does but not to the extent you may think it does. And for those who think the gubmint is turning a blind eye to the dangers? Nope, your wrong. Granted the gubment is f'd in many ways but frack sites are so heavily looked at you would only wish they put the same mandates on food processing or the pharmicutical industry.

Big oil, emerging frack plays and all the various industries involved have much to loose with a class action.

Hey, I'm glad your all concerned. Keep being concerned. Hold the sons of guns to task. while your at it, get involved in your local politic. Make a difference.

Be part of an educated solution instead of reacting like Chicken Little. You guys are smart, start making the world even better...

[M.D. Holloway]

Like what duPont used to say internally...The Solution to Pollution is Dilution...

(cesium formate is used is a drill lube, biodegradable and the SDS says its safe considering - I also believe it can be recycled)

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by blk911

Everyone who has an issue with fracking should just piss off. You dont know what the f you are talking about. I have some petroleum engineering hours to my credit as well as field experience.

WE don't know what we're talking about? In this thread we have one expert who says fracking companies reveal what's in the fluid and another expert who explains why they don't reveal it. Maybe you can use your hours of engineering credit to reconcile this disagreement among the experts.

[mreid]

Why is it that when educated adults interested in debating and learning start sharing their perspectives, insights, and concerns, some lame brain with keyboard muscles and stated credentials then proven questionable by his follow on words starts the bad mouthing and name calling? Am I surprised blk911 that you are from the blue section of the state...no.