Common Notion: Racking a Pump 12 Gauge Will Scare Off a Bad Guy.

[HardDrive]

I agree. I think you have a moral obligation (to both the intruder and yourself) to at least let them know in no uncertain terms that you intend to shoot them, and tell them to leave. The vast majority of burglars will make for the door. Giving up your location is in fact important so they can avoid you. If they chose to fight, so be it. I think its important to make sure that its not a family member, or a non aggressive person who is drunk or mentally incapacitated in some way.

Do I feel you should be legally required to give a warning? No.

Originally Posted by Z-man

In a home defense situation, if one hears a suspicious noise in one's house, and is able to arm himself, but has not been able to identify who is making the noise, I believe a firm and loud Who are you? Get out of my house! The police are coming! I have a gun! is sufficient to get that person's attention.

While you may reveal your location in your home (unless you pipe your message through an intercom system), I believe you setup the situation effectively to the intruder - whether that intruder is an innocent, or a perp: the way that person reacts to your message will determine the outcome of the situation.

If the intruder choses to attack you, hopefully you are in a defensive position (for you and others in the house) where you have the tactical advantage (effective cover, good line of sight...etc) and you have minimized the opportunity for the perp to gain the upper hand. If you need to move to another room (child's room, for example), hopefully have have prepared yourself and can effectively clear the space between you and the destination, and are prepared to take action if necessary.

To the experts out there -- is this a feasible situation, or a bad idea?

-Z

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Z-man

Then if there is time, it would be helpful to describe what you look like, and what you are wearing, so when the police arrive, they will know who the homeonwer is. (ex: "I'm a 25 year old male, weigh 225 lbs, and am wearing Hello Kitty pajamas.") I've heard stories where a robber actually wore pajamas and a robe, and as he was leaving the home would tell the police that the perps are still in the house!

-Z-man.

"Fat bald guy, wearing only boxers, carrying a handgun."

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

"Fat bald guy, wearing only boxers, carrying a handgun."

Is the word "Sexy" embossed on the backside of those boxers?

Now pardon me while I poke out my mind's eye!

-Z

Disclaimer: I am not a 25 year old male. I do not weigh 225 lbs. I do not own Hello Kitty PJ's.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Z-man

Is the word "Sexy" embossed on the backside of those boxers?

Now pardon me while I poke out my mind's eye!

-Z

Disclaimer: I am not a 25 year old male. I do not weigh 225 lbs. I do not own Hello Kitty PJ's.

It says "Juicy", with sparkles.

[flipper35]

I knew I should have stopped reading two posts above.

[Gretch]

Originally Posted by gnashings

"Get all the practice you want..."- yup, actually practice and lots of it is exactly what you need most to perform under stress. You can't buy or automate your way out of that. That statement, along with your defensive insecurity pretty much tells me all I need to know.
Obviously compensating for something...

Hoping to compensate for the stupid advice you give out to folks who have zero knowledge........

like you.

what crawled up your ass and died.......??????????

[afterburn 549]

Might have been mentioned.
Some states are so liberal they allow the thief to SUE you !
Dead witness dont sue or testify

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

Inthe world of the military, never give away your position..its not the tactile thing to do.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

[lane912]

was told by a local LEO that in the event that there is a intruder, shoot them dead; and if they cross the threshold of the front door drag the body back in the house-

this skirts the edge of Oregon state law

and -- the dead have nothing to tell--

[afterburn 549]

Originally Posted by stuartj

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

really?
right learning, wrong learning?
OR?
Different word? LOL

[afterburn 549]

Anyway.dead witness do not sue you

[matt f]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

I agree. I think you have a moral obligation (to both the intruder and yourself) to at least let them know in no uncertain terms that you intend to shoot them, and tell them to leave. The vast majority of burglars will make for the door. Giving up your location is in fact important so they can avoid you. If they chose to fight, so be it. I think its important to make sure that its not a family member, or a non aggressive person who is drunk or mentally incapacitated in some way.

Do I feel you should be legally required to give a warning? No.

With all due respect, I have no moral obligation to shout a warning to an intruder in my house.
Does he/she have the same obligation to warn me/my family?
Do not care if they have "emotional or mental issues", I don't know nor care, they are in my house uninvited.

[matt f]

I will repeat something I posted in another thread.... Identify your target and what is behind your target.
Not a friendly...Suck it!

[lane912]

[HHI944]

Personally, the only warning you'll get from me if you break into my house is the faint click of a safety coming off....unless I grav my 94 for some reason.

[VaSteve]

I saw this posted on our local neighborhood FB page. There was a peeping tom incident. Anyone know anything about what Linda is stating? I don't.

Originally Posted by Shelby

Cops are taking it pretty seriously now. Two detectives in unmarked cars & plain clothes came out late last night. Of course they're crazy not letting me know they were coming at 11pm to search my property & surrounding area with flashlights...imagine their surprise when they woke me up & I answered the door with a weapon in hand after seeing flashlights at my patio door. I told them all I was armed & the one that took the report saw one of them. Hopefully next time they'll call before scoping it out...just glad they're not messing around.

Originally Posted by Linda

As a former NRA certified instructor please make sure you are aware of the laws. If you have a firearm I recommend you take a course call Personal Protection Inside the home. There is also one called Personal Protection Outside the home. There are certain things the instructors will tell you before you discharge your firearm. They will tell you to call 911 and to lock everyone in one room. You need to be afraid for your life. You need to let the intruder know that you are armed and if they enter the room you will shoot them. You need to make sure you are on the phone with 911 to make sure all of this is recorded. If someone is running away, you cannot shoot them. Please check out NRA.Org. They have safety courses and are there to teach law abiding citizens how to properly use a firearm.
January 15 at 8:09pm · Like · 5

[Z-man]

Steve -
I have taken some firearm safety classes including a couple of NRA courses. I believe what Linda is saying is a bit misleading, and in on particular case, incorrect.

I do not need to be afraid for my life. Fear = adrenaline dump = loss of fine motor skills. Just as I leave my emotions at the pits when I'm on the racetrack, I must learn to leave behind my fear/anger/etc when I am in an active shooter situation.

I do not need to do anything that would prevent me from defending myself. If I must choose between retrieving my phone and retrieving my firearm, I will choose the tool that goes bang and can eliminate the threat. If I have the ability to call 911, I will do so, but only after I have secured my firearm and taken up a defensive position. If I have the ability to tell the intruder to leave, and give him a clear picture of what he will face if he choses not to leave (a loaded firearm pointed at him) I will do so. But I do not need to call 911 or warn him, if I decide not to. That said, both of those are, in my opinion, good measures, but not necessary measures.

Spoon enthusiasts and Monday morning quarterbacks have a lot in common...
-Z-man.

[BernieP]

Z man i agree with your post protect yourself first, the whole purpose of having 911 on an open line and telling the perp to get out and you will shoot will help in court if a DA decides to charge you. It will also help if the dead guys family decides to sue in civil court.

[70SATMan]

Inthe world of the military, never give away your position..its not the tactile thing to do.

Originally Posted by stuartj

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Maybe not but, it feels good to use it.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by BernieP

Z man i agree with your post protect yourself first, the whole purpose of having 911 on an open line and telling the perp to get out and you will shoot will help in court if a DA decides to charge you. It will also help if the dead guys family decides to sue in civil court.

As mentioned earlier, this is far more relevant in states with more liberal firearms laws. An intruder in my house can be legally shot dead, that is the letter of the law in KS. No need for warnings, fear for my life, etc. If you break into someone's home, you are fair game.