Mass Stabbing...

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by Schumi

Supposedly I have a bit of an unpopular outlook here according to some people... but I saw this thread and then looked at a news article about it and my reaction is... no reaction.

There are 7 billion people on this planet. Every day, there are going to be a few of those 7 billion things that do something like this. It happens. People get all upset on the news like this is something new (it's not) and wonder questions aloud like how could this happen (statistically, it is going to) and my oh my what should we do to stop it (nothing).

This is life. People are complex things. Some of them lose it. It sucks when they do. There is no short term fix that makes it better for everyone.

Like a modern computer processor, if you build enough of them, one out of ever million or so isn't going to work right when you turn it on one day.

And man I hate the CNN headlines. People died? bust out the 126pt font! Normal, happy news happened? Eh, 18 Pt. font.

Yes, it is an unpopular view and without compassion. Bet you'd have a less sterile view if it was one of your kids sitting in the hospital right now. Accepting this as the norm is unacceptable. No matter how much statistics support the probability of something like this occurring, people should get upset at hearing news of 22 defenseless kids stabbed for no reason.

[island911]

+1 to Shumi's post. Take a look at how many "defenseless kids" are killed everyday in cars.

Shumi is spot on that news outlets shout loudly when it's about crazed violence. Yet people want to reject and deflect from that reality. (statistically, we will always have some crazies)

Now why didn't that school have more signs declaring it a knife free zone?

And why don't we have digital bracelets in order to use cutlery? --it's for the children!!

(gti)

[GH85Carrera]

Just like the media make a headline out of an airplane crash. Some dummy pilot in his Cessna tries to take off overloaded on a hot day and crashes and it is a headline. Yet dozens of people are killed every day in any state and it is buried on the back sections of the newspaper.

[JavaBrewer]

Originally Posted by EMJ

Yes, it is an unpopular view and without compassion. Bet you'd have a less sterile view if it was one of your kids sitting in the hospital right now. Accepting this as the norm is unacceptable. No matter how much statistics support the probability of something like this occurring, people should get upset at hearing news of 22 defenseless kids stabbed for no reason.

People are upset. What's your point? Create more rules and laws when overcome with emotion?

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by JavaBrewer

What's your point? Create more rules and laws when overcome with emotion?

Let's not add a sentiment that wasn't stated. My point is that in his comments the "no reaction, it's just life, kids get killed every day" philosophy is not sympathetic. Again, if it was your kid you'd have a different view.

[island911]

Spot-on Java. It does sound as if he's saying people are not adequately upset about this.

Truly, as communication tech increases, the media further distorts the small statistical anomalies. This whack-job is not some trend. Well .. hold that.. I suppose there is a bit of a trend - whack-jobs seeing all the attention they'll get if they go postal. The media feeds them that. ...People who want to AMP up the OUTRAGE feed them that.

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by island911

Spot-on Java. It does sound as if he's saying people are not adequately upset about this.

There is no mystery as to what I'm saying, but I'll spell it out again. Schumi's post that to him this is just another mass attempted killing and evokes no reaction because it happens all the time, and probability supports that because we are a world of billions of humans, it will happen again and again, to me, does not show sympathy to those kids who are in the hospital with 8-inch gut wounds right now for no reason whatsoever. To me, it lacks compassion. Hope this is clear enough for you. No political agenda, no further action required.

[JavaBrewer]

Originally Posted by EMJ

Let's not add a sentiment that wasn't stated. My point is that in his comments the "no reaction, it's just life, kids get killed every day" philosophy is not sympathetic. Again, if it was your kid you'd have a different view.

Different view of what? Knives? Mental people? Seriously I don't know where you are going with this.

It sounds like you are saying that, if it had been one of my own there, my outrage would be greater than if my kid was hit by a bus while standing on a street corner? These are random events beyond our control.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by JavaBrewer

People are upset. What's your point? Create more rules and laws when overcome with emotion?

That's pretty much how people work, isn't it? To hell with rational thought and facts, light up those torches and pitchforks and let's go find a witch! With 24/7 news coverage of course.

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

That's pretty much how people work, isn't it? To hell with rational thought and facts, light up those torches and pitchforks and let's go find a witch! With 24/7 news coverage of course.

Now I'm curious. What's rational about getting a call from your kid's school that your kid has just been hacked up by a fellow student for no reason and that 20 others were also victims? I don't advocate pitchforks and torches, but what is that parent supposed to feel? Are they supposed to say, oh well, there's nothing we can do. Preposterous. They'll want to do everything possible to ensure that something - anything - can be done to keep their child safe. What rational thoughts and facts are you alluding to? Where's the supposed "witch" here? There's no imaginary scenario here - a real person was subdued in the process of committing the assault.

I'm sure there's a point you're making here but I don't think you make it well.

[intakexhaust]

Perpetrator used two kitchen knives. Should make it unlawful to leave kitchen knives not secured in a locker type kitchen drawer. Ban storage knife blocks.

Oh wait, have more great American ideas! At this day and age we need to take EVERY PRECAUTION. With all the touch pads / tablets, we should ban dangerous sharp pen and pencils in schools. Kids can type or write with their fingers.

[intakexhaust]

So they report the kid never showed any indication of violence or hint of snapping. Hmmm. Nice folks have a defense plan. Throw any or all parents in the slam for letting loose a rabid child and whom harms or kills others.

Enough of this. Protect the children. Ban schools.

[JavaBrewer]

Originally Posted by EMJ

I'm sure there's a point you're making here but I don't think you make it well.

Pot meet kettle. What are you trying to convey EMJ? Have a plan?

[EMJ]

Quote de EMJ

I'm sure there's a point you're making here but I don't think you make it well.

Pot meet kettle. What are you trying to convey EMJ? Have a plan?

Go on thinking it's no big deal when innocent kids are stabbed in school for no reason. Again, shows callousness and lack of sympathy to the victims. Can't help you if you can't understand that. Seems you don't catch on quickly. Very disappointing to see so many on here having such a great time with this tragedy. And I hope you figure out this master "plan" you somehow have convinced yourself I'm working on.

Good luck.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Quote de onewhippedpuppy

That's pretty much how people work, isn't it? To hell with rational thought and facts, light up those torches and pitchforks and let's go find a witch! With 24/7 news coverage of course.

Now I'm curious. What's rational about getting a call from your kid's school that your kid has just been hacked up by a fellow student for no reason and that 20 others were also victims? I don't advocate pitchforks and torches, but what is that parent supposed to feel? Are they supposed to say, oh well, there's nothing we can do. Preposterous. They'll want to do everything possible to ensure that something - anything - can be done to keep their child safe. What rational thoughts and facts are you alluding to? Where's the supposed "witch" here? There's no imaginary scenario here - a real person was subdued in the process of committing the assault.



I'm sure there's a point you're making here but I don't think you make it well.

Thinking like yours is exactly the problem. Because we have to do SOMETHING. Because we simply cannot admit that sometimes $h!t happens and there is absolutely NOTHING that can be done to prevent it. So in doing SOMETHING to make you feel better you rarely stop the action from happening again, instead impinging on the rights of law abiding citizens. The call to do SOMETHING is the call of a fool who is incapable of looking at the issue in rational terms and admitting the reality of the situation. It is emotional and knee jerk. Also the call of those too scared to admit that the government, laws, and police cannot protect you.

[EMJ]

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Quote de onewhippedpuppy

That's pretty much how people work, isn't it? To hell with rational thought and facts, light up those torches and pitchforks and let's go find a witch! With 24/7 news coverage of course.

Now I'm curious. What's rational about getting a call from your kid's school that your kid has just been hacked up by a fellow student for no reason and that 20 others were also victims? I don't advocate pitchforks and torches, but what is that parent supposed to feel? Are they supposed to say, oh well, there's nothing we can do. Preposterous. They'll want to do everything possible to ensure that something - anything - can be done to keep their child safe. What rational thoughts and facts are you alluding to? Where's the supposed "witch" here? There's no imaginary scenario here - a real person was subdued in the process of committing the assault.





I'm sure there's a point you're making here but I don't think you make it well.

Thinking like yours is exactly the problem. Because we have to do SOMETHING. Because we simply cannot admit that sometimes $h!t happens and there is absolutely NOTHING that can be done to prevent it. So in doing SOMETHING to make you feel better you rarely stop the action from happening again, instead impinging on the rights of law abiding citizens. The call to do SOMETHING is the call of a fool who is incapable of looking at the issue in rational terms and admitting the reality of the situation. It is emotional and knee jerk. Also the call of those too scared to admit that the government, laws, and police cannot protect you.

When have I called for new laws and government intervention? You're making leaps based off of your own agenda and spewing gibberish that is completely irrelevant to this situation. I'm a former Marine - I don't need the government, or anyone else for that matter, to protect me. To say there is nothing to be done about violence in schools shows just how clueless you are. Do we not recall cars when there are known safety defects? Will a known hydraulic problem go unfixed in a commercial jet? Absolutely not. Do we not try to stop terrorists because there will always be others? Of course not. Your "rational" argument is morbidly highly irrational.

To say that nothing can be done to protect kids from this growing school violence shows just how out of touch you are. The issue at that school will be examined for root cause and steps will be taken to ensure security gaps and so on will be reviewed and/or enhanced as necessary. A high effort will be expended to try and prevent these types of situations as much as humanly possible at that school, and anything that can be passed along nationally will be.

What happened to the assailant? Are there others at the school who have a similar agenda? Was there bullying? And so on. Find the reason and attempt to resolve the catalyst to try and prevent a reoccurrence. Do you honestly think law enforcement and school officials are just going to do nothing? You think they're "fools" for trying to do "something?" Wow!

What if this happened at your kids' school? You would do nothing? As you so vehemently say nothing can be done. Well guess what, you wouldn't be doing your job as a parent. Wow!

[intakexhaust]

For those who are over 50 years in age, one would never hear of this crazy schit at schools. Bullying and kids fighting were normal. Sure there were conflicts of war's, racial tensions to rioting, burning city's, rock/roll, drugs but no emphasize or constant high violence on TV, black culture praised gang RAP music, rabid killing video gaming or telling a teacher or parent to eff off.

Go back just a few years in age and to those parents in the mid-40's and younger. They have their hands full with controlling kids and restrictions.

[tweezers74]

EMJ, I understand where you are coming from. You just want to hear somebody cared about those kids. That although crazy random things happen, the victims deserve a little more than a jab joke here or there. I get it. Just know that some people here stop to listen... To both sides.

Sometimes I feel like people who confront tragedy and death, where I am sure you have serving in the military, there is a part of us that tries to numb it and say "s***!" happens every day, why is today different? If I had that perspective, I wouldn't go into work, being a nurse. I wouldn't try to save another person's life, day in and day out. Why? Everybody dies. Things aren't that simple. Death and life are such complex things that some people try to make very simple.

Not saying I think there should more laws, or that knives should be outlawed, or whatever. Just saying I too feel horrible for those kids that got stabbed and the parents that had to go to the hospital instead of picking up their kids from school. Their reality is much more grim than us sitting here debating on a car forum.

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by tweezers74

EMJ, I understand where you are coming from. You just want to hear somebody cared about those kids. That although crazy random things happen, the victims deserve a little more than a jab joke here or there. I get it. Just know that some people here stop to listen... To both sides.

Sometimes I feel like people who confront tragedy and death, where I am sure you have serving in the military, there is a part of us that tries to numb it and say "s***!" happens every day, why is today different? If I had that perspective, I wouldn't go into work, being a nurse. I wouldn't try to save another person's life, day in and day out. Why? Everybody dies. Things aren't that simple. Death and life are such complex things that some people try to make very simple.

Not saying I think there should more laws, or that knives should be outlawed, or whatever. Just saying I too feel horrible for those kids that got stabbed and the parents that had to go to the hospital instead of picking up their kids from school. Their reality is much more grim than us sitting here debating on a car forum.

Wow! 100% - you got it!

[onewhippedpuppy]

So Ed, what do you do here? How do you keep someone from smuggling a sharp object, potentially non-metallic (so metal detectors won't work) into a school or public place? I'd love to hear your plan.

My point is that the emotional reaction to do SOMETHING typically drives people to do something stupid that has zero impact on safety. Such as "gun free" zones, where most of these violent events now seem to occur. Or the crime rates in areas that have severe restrictions on guns.

BTW, you can think that I'm a callous dick all day long. I have three kids and can't imagine anything happening to them. But you can't bubble wrap the world, you have to prepare them as best as you can then hope and pray that everything will be ok. I can't imagine what these parents are suffering through.