Don't understand Net Neutrality? Details too boring for you? Watch this

[WolfeMacleod]

Great vid, and it's not as boring as reading a User Agreement.

[futurefun]

LOL thank you for the schooling.

[porsche4life]

Awesome. Now hopefully the FCC will listen.

[WolfeMacleod]

Originally Posted by porsche4life

Awesome. Now hopefully the FCC will listen.

One could hope..


John Oliver Helps Rally 45,000 Net Neutrality Comments To FCC

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June 03, 201411:56 AM ET

Things are running smoothly now, but the Federal Communications Commission's public was so waylaid by people writing in on Monday that the agency had to send out a few tweets saying "technical difficulties" due to heavy traffic affected its servers.

Blame former Daily Show fake-newscaster and comedian John Oliver, who now helms his own show on HBO, Last Week Tonight.

On Sunday night, he went on a , ending with a plea to Internet commenters of the troll variety to "for once in your lives, focus your indiscriminate rage in a useful direction. Seize your moment, my lovely trolls!"

It appears they have. The FCC has received more than 45,000 comments on the net neutrality proposals since May 15.

Those just account for the comments filed to the official electronic commenting system. Separately, the FCC says it's received 300,000 emails it set up in late April for the public to weigh in on its open Internet proposal. For context, the next highest number of formal comments on an FCC measure is just under 2,000.

How did we get here? Well, the FCC opened up its initial on how it should , or the principle that data on the Internet should be served on a level playing field, without prejudice for certain companies who can pay to get content to you faster.

On the table that opens the door for Internet service providers like Comcast and Time Warner to charge for "fast lanes" to the Internet, which, critics argue, could leave out startups who can't afford to pay for a fast lane. Not just startups but major tech companies like Google, Facebook and others have spoken out against this proposal, arguing for more protections for the free Internet. More from Oliver:

"What's being proposed is so egregious that activists and corporations have been forced onto the same side. And you might wonder, if everyone is against this, how is it even possibly happening? ... The guy who used to run with the cable industry's lobbying arm is now tasked with the agency tasked with regulating it. That is the equivalent of needing a babysitter and hiring a dingo."

The runs through June 27.

[intakexhaust]

Could think of alternative names representing the FCC acronym. Hilarious and informative vid.

BTW: For those afraid of dipping into PARF, thread > http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-politics-religion/814158-net-neutrality.html

[slakjaw]

The fact that you net neutrality morons have to describe what you believe to be net neutrality in such stupid ways proves you do not know wtf you are talking about.

[porsche4life]

Please mr big cable company. Explain it to us.


Kinda like sammy talking about big oil though. Your bias shows through.

[slakjaw]

What r u talking about? I have no bias.

[slakjaw]

Net neutrality really is a bad idea. But wtf ever you wanna believe man. U already lost your limp wristed fight with the FCC anyways.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by slakjaw

Net neutrality really is a bad idea. But wtf ever you wanna believe man. U already lost your limp wristed fight with the FCC anyways.

a bad idea eh?

you mean how the internet has run for the last 25+ years is a bad idea? really?

[GH85Carrera]

Does Net Neutrality cause water leaks in basements? Is that why is is bad?

[slakjaw]

Cocker, the terms the net neutrality people want to set are not currently in place. Please explain everything you just said because it makes no sense.

Quote de slakjaw

Net neutrality really is a bad idea. But wtf ever you wanna believe man. U already lost your limp wristed fight with the FCC anyways.

a bad idea eh?



you mean how the internet has run for the last 25+ years is a bad idea? really?

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts

I've never quite fully understood the logic behind this whole net neutrality argument. Of course, the sources should be neutral, and if the *consumer* wants a faster / thicker pipe, then of course they should pay for it. ....

Without getting into the politics of it all, I think that (what I highlighted in red) is the crux of the matter from my perspective Wayne. Where we differ (I think) is that I do not believe that a "content provider" (likely the largest "consumers" too) should be able to buy advantages (or be held ho$tage) over other content providers/users. I'm not talking about network flow control, class of service, use of "bandwidth" (my how I do HATE that terminology ) Netflix vs VOIP, etc. but am referring to the POWER$ that be being "potentially" able to alter what has for the most part been a "level playing field" for all. The potential for abuse is just to tempting and is absolutely there imo. So from a purely hypothetical perspective, do you believe that a big money player/consumer should be able to "buy" an advantage....I simply don't. As a prime example for the potential of abuse, I would offer the recent disclosure of how the "high frequency traders" on Wall Street and their "private" Internet/Intranet backbone infrastructure allowed them to clearly have an advantage over the competition. And for Kyle...I do prefer "maroon" if you don't mind me asking

[slakjaw]

How is that abuse? You could have gotten in on that. Go build your own network if millisecond advantage on stock trades is worth it to you. net neutrality won't stop anyone from doing that. There is a fiber bore going on right now through a mountain and a 2 millisecond shorter trip to the stock exchange is what is pushing the entire project.

You can get a phone at your house today that would ring the stock market floor as soon as you picked it up. That's been around for a long time but today, it's unfair or abuse or something.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by slakjaw

How is that abuse? You could have gotten in on that. Go build your own network if millisecond advantage on stock trades is worth it to you. net neutrality won't stop anyone from doing that. There is a fiber bore going on right now through a mountain and a 2 millisecond shorter trip to the stock exchange is what is pushing the entire project.

You can get a phone at your house today that would ring the stock market floor as soon as you picked it up. That's been around for a long time but today, it's unfair or abuse or something.

You vastly overestimate my peon potential to play with the big boy$ . You started another thread sometime back and were questioning how someone who holds the "keys to a critical network infrastructure" could play favorites (or blackmail) for favoritism when HUGE $ are at stake. The example I provided is just one EXPENSIVE way to do it...were I still in the game, I could just as easily blackmail Pelican, et al and take "bribe$/payoff$ from those who want to take an "advantage" of my ability to manipulate traffic flow. Of course there are pros and cons to all solutions, but from a philosophical perspective, I firmly believe the Internet traffic prioritization should NOT be potentially controlled by BIG $. From that other thread, you didn't seem to think that was possible....I disagree.

Signed...

A former network maroon...

Now just a plain ol' MAROON

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by slakjaw

Cocker, the terms the net neutrality people want to set are not currently in place. Please explain everything you just said because it makes no sense.

actually, it is the way the internet currently works.

[slakjaw]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

actually, it is the way the internet currently works.

I have to believe you are joking here. Messing with me. No it is not the way the internet currently works. Cogent just got another peering agreement pulled. Once net neutrality passes nobody will be able to pull peering with that worthless company.

Have you even read what the net neutrality people want because You have no clue what you are talking about.

[slakjaw]

Originally Posted by KC911

You vastly overestimate my peon potential to play with the big boy$ . You started another thread sometime back and were questioning how someone who holds the "keys to a critical network infrastructure" could play favorites (or blackmail) for favoritism when HUGE $ are at stake. The example I provided is just one EXPENSIVE way to do it...were I still in the game, I could just as easily blackmail Pelican, et al and take "bribe$/payoff$ from those who want to take an "advantage" of my ability to manipulate traffic flow. Of course there are pros and cons to all solutions, but from a philosophical perspective, I firmly believe the Internet traffic prioritization should NOT be potentially controlled by BIG $. From that other thread, you didn't seem to think that was possible....I disagree.

Signed...

A former network maroon...

Now just a plain ol' MAROON

once again you are getting into conspiracy theories here. Stuff that doesn't really happen and cannot happen / will never happen. Net Neutrality morons are not network engineers. They are Netflix et al. they do not want to pay for the pipe - they want something for nothing and they have gotten a bunch of people on their side with BS lies.

And once again I will repeat, not all traffic is equal or should be equal. 911 traffic is more important than you and cockers torrents and it always will be now that Net Neutrality has been shot down.

Let me know when you are ready to build something. I charge $4000.00 a foot to put fiber in the ground most places.

[wildthing]

The problem here is that the Interwebs pipes are not meant to deliver individualized video in its current state.

And there is no incentive for upgrading aging pipes. It's so darn expensive.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by slakjaw

once again you are getting into conspiracy theories here. Stuff that doesn't really happen and cannot happen / will never happen. Net Neutrality morons are not network engineers. They are Netflix et al. they do not want to pay for the pipe - they want something for nothing and they have gotten a bunch of people on their side with BS lies.

And once again I will repeat, not all traffic is equal or should be equal. 911 traffic is more important than you and cockers torrents and it always will be now that Net Neutrality has been shot down.

Let me know when you are ready to build something. I charge $4000.00 a foot to put fiber in the ground most places.

We'll just have to disagree on the technical aspects/capabilities of network flow control Kyle . As a network designer, if you don't think I could easily manipulate and play "favorites" when big $ are dangled in front of the PTB (Power$ That Be), then that's OK too. You seem to have more faith in huge corporations than I do though .

Originally Posted by wildthing

The problem here is that the Interwebs pipes are not meant to deliver individualized video in its current state.

And there is no incentive for upgrading aging pipes. It's so darn expensive.

As I have posted before in the other thread I referenced earlier, within the past 6 months, two separate co's have laid 1" orange fiber down BOTH sides of my neighborhood streets. We are still so early in stages of bringing HUGE pipes down to the masses that who knows where this will lead years from now. Up to now, physical "pipes" have typically been a constraint...once the huge fiber infrastructure matures years down the road, it will be much like our highway system imo. The "roads" could easily accommodate 120 mph, but "network engineers" (i.e. speed limit sign makers), can certainly put 35 mph signs on an 8 lane superhighway if they were inclined to do so. Now what could/would make them de$ire to do so? Hmmm....