Ms. Bruce Jenner !!

[Crowbob]

Originally Posted by Ziggythecat

I heard a bit of Rush when getting lunch today. Always amusing.
He declared that Jenner and any other transgendered individual is merely suffering from a mental illness that should be treated.
I'm not a Rush regular, but doesn't he also believe that homosexuality is a mental illness, also ?

I looked this up. The relevant part of the transcript follows. It is clear Rush was commenting on what a psychitrist said so your implication that 1) Rush believes transgenderism is a mental disorder and 2) that he also believes homosexuality is a mental disorder is disingenuous on your part and evidence of affirmation bias. Further, by you dismissing the opinion of a psychiatrist and attributing that opinion to Rush in an effort to delegitimize a contrary opinion to your own is pathetic, Webby:

"Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a 'mental disorder' that merits treatment, that sex change is 'biologically impossible,' and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder." It was October 2014 that I first saw this and brought it up. So not quite nine months, eight months. "Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed medical articles, made his remarks in a recent commentary in the Wall Street Journal..."

[nostatic]

This Man Learned His Lesson in the Best Possible Way After Attacking Caitlyn Jenner Online - Mic

In a Facebook post, which Coffey believed to show a wounded World War II soldier firing his gun at the enemy while another soldier carries him to safety, Coffey wrote: "As I see post after post about Bruce Jenner's transition to a woman, and I hear words like, bravery, heroism and courage, just thought I'd remind all of us what real American courage, heroism and bravery looks like!" The post went viral and garnered more than 760,000 shares at the time of publication.

But after the success of his post, Coffey decided to research the source of the image so he could credit the photographer. What he learned shocked him.

The image was created by Mark Hogancamp as part of an exercise to manage his pain after he was nearly beaten to death by five men in 2000 for crossdressing. Hogancamp was subsequently in a coma for nine days and awoke severely brain damaged.

His coping mechanism was the creation an imaginary WWII-themed parallel universe, entitled "Marwencol." Through this, Hogancamp explored "the twin demons of rage and fear," the New York Times reported in 2011. He then became the subject of a documentary named after his fictitious world, which won numerous awards and aired on PBS.

In an act of contrition, Coffey posted a follow-up rescinding the previous day's sentiment and sharing what bravery really means.


The full text read:

This is the photo I shared yesterday in the spirit of spotlighting "true bravery."

This photo that accompanied my words, was chosen from a quick image search. Just wanted something to fit my words. I wanted to find out who the photographer was, so I could credit his work.

In an ironic twist, I have discovered that the photo is part of a documentary created by a man who was beaten nearly to death outside of a bar in 2000. After spending 9 days in a coma, suffering severe brain damage and being unable to walk or talk for a year, he chose to try and cope with his pain from the tragic event, by creating a world of stories and characters and photos set in WWII. The image I chose, was one of those created for an upcoming documentary. Why was he nearly beaten to death by 5 strangers?

Because he was a cross-dresser.

I could have chosen one of hundreds of other photos. But I didn't, I chose this one. Do I think it was an accident? I don't.

What happened to this man was wrong, cruel, and unforgivable.

Hate helps nothing.

Love wounds no one.

and God heals all.

(and irony makes us think)

[Nostril Cheese]

Originally Posted by island911

go on.. Show some courage.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Nostril Cheese

I just realized there's no point in talking to you.

I figured that out a few weeks after I started coming to this forum. Island is at the top of my "why bother?" list.

[island911]

Seriously, fitee, what a blatant lie.


Your butt hurt took MUCH longer to take hold.

pfffttt a few weeks

[island911]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

I looked this up. The relevant part of the transcript follows. It is clear Rush was commenting on what a psychitrist said so your implication that 1) Rush believes transgenderism is a mental disorder and 2) that he also believes homosexuality is a mental disorder is disingenuous on your part and evidence of affirmation bias. Further, by you dismissing the opinion of a psychiatrist and attributing that opinion to Rush in an effort to delegitimize a contrary opinion to your own is pathetic, Webby:

"Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a 'mental disorder' that merits treatment, that sex change is 'biologically impossible,' and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder." It was October 2014 that I first saw this and brought it up. So not quite nine months, eight months. "Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed medical articles, made his remarks in a recent commentary in the Wall Street Journal..."

Thanks Crowbob.

Of course some here will liken that to an ATTACK on Bruce Jenner, and even cross-dressers anywhere. :-/

[M.D. Holloway]

take away clothes and makeup and the 'problem' errr 'condition' errr 'lifestyle' just goes away...

Call it what you will, this is a 'problem' errr 'condition' errr 'lifestyle' that is artificial. I say that because there are many 'problems' errr 'conditions' errr 'lifestyles' that transcend cultures and species. Dressing like the opposite sex is a manufactured 'problem' errr 'condition' errr 'lifestyle'.

The dude is turned into a hotly though...

[pksystems]

Will we be eliminating all male/female divisions in sports soon I hope? Olympics, World cup ...etc...etc..

We don't want any "special" people to have their feelings hurt.

It's the PC thing to do.

[widgeon13]

Originally Posted by island911

Thanks Crowbob.

Of course some here will liken that to an ATTACK on Bruce Jenner, and even cross-dressers anywhere. :-/

But, but what about the courage he has demonstrated?

[Nickshu]

[island911]

Originally Posted by M.D. Holloway

take away clothes and makeup and the 'problem' errr 'condition' errr 'lifestyle' just goes away...

Call it what you will, this is a 'problem' errr 'condition' errr 'lifestyle' that is artificial. I say that because there are many 'problems' errr 'conditions' errr 'lifestyles' that transcend cultures and species. Dressing like the opposite sex is a manufactured 'problem' errr 'condition' errr 'lifestyle'.

The dude is turned into a hotly though...

Excellent post. Get to the animal, and all of these constructs fall by the wayside.

Really, all of this is fetishizing/romanticizing some highly specific body image. --Such focus Bruce has on projecting the construct of some idealized woman. Which is not too different than those who mark-up their bodies with massive tat's, flesh-stretching piercings, and those lumpies they implant under their skin to look like a Klingon (Next Gen, not original series Klingon).

I suppose it is just HATE for any to see those Klingoning-up their bodies as fetishizing/romanticizing a commercial fantasy creature. I suppose that we should all just accept that those people --who clearly are actually NOT people, but rather Klingons (Next Gen. Franchise, not original)-- who were accidently born in to the wrong body. gasp ...We need to accept it that way because that's what all the caring enlightened people know, and anyone who says differently is a HATEr.

meh - As was a hundred years ago, circuses had freak-show tents. ... today we add massive Photoshop to the mix. (read: NO WAY that photo represents Bruce Jenner in drag. ) But, so many do like a freak show. And they like to be lied to about the reality of it all.

[island911]

Originally Posted by widgeon13

But, but what about the courage he has demonstrated?

I see that is in green, to represent all the money his courage will bring him and those in his tent.

Courage for money . .. and your chix for free.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Sadly in our society, a man becoming a woman for the sake of reality tv doesn't even peg the weird meter.

[esample]

Originally Posted by LEAKYSEALS951

"fixed" the cereal box:

"Now without nuts!"

[targa911S]

[Racerbvd]

Bruce jenner is as much of a woman as a 356 Speedster kit car is a real Porsche, so quit referring to that sick SOB as a "she".

[Nostril Cheese]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

Bruce jenner is as much of a woman as a 356 Speedster kit car is a real Porsche, so quit referring to that sick SOB as a "she".

Coming from the guy who runs a celebrity impersonator business..

[nynor]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Is that the only type of courage that exists in the world?

nope.

but bruce isn't displaying any courage.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by Nostril Cheese

Coming from the guy who runs a celebrity impersonator business..

Yes, I understand the difference between the real thing and fakes. I also own a Speedster kit car, and don't try to pass it off as real either, nor do I try and pass off my 914-6GT clone as a real 914-6 (but I also own a real Six). My speedster is still a 67 VW, my 914-6GT is still a 74 2.0 and my 74 Carrera is still only an SC, dressing them up doesn't change the actual DNA of what they actually are. And I also work with some of the real celebrities as we

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by M.D. Holloway

The dude is turned into a hotly though...

I wonder. With enough make-up and photoshop Tommy Lee Jones could look good on a magazine cover.