crazy thought of tday: stored boost for instant HP

[aschen]

Originally Posted by Gogar

Sounds kind of cool!

I've also heard of a concept where they convert the physical energy from braking into electricity, and store it in a battery. Then they place electric motors at each wheel and utilize them for instant torque that even the best turbocharger would have trouble replicating.

Sounds a bit far off, though. Definitely not as cool as the turbo idea!

Several current production cars do this already more or less

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Gogar

I've also heard of a concept where they convert the physical energy from braking into electricity, and store it in a battery. Then they place electric motors at each wheel and utilize them for instant torque that even the best turbocharger would have trouble replicating.

Sounds a bit far off, though. Definitely not as cool as the turbo idea!

Should that have been in green? Even my golf cart has regenerative braking.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas

Good idea. We'll call it Can of Boost, pronounced Can-a-boost.

If we put it on a VW van it would be called can-a-bus



I crack me up.

[Aufenbahn]

F1 cars use technology like this right now. Energy is stored electronically.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Audi is introducing a turbo that is electronically pre-spooled to eliminate lag. Which is probably a simpler solution to this issue.

[widebody911]

Compressed air car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Just get some duct tape and a leaf blower. done.

[campbellcj]

Wouldn't a supercharger be more straightforward and efficient than running a similar compressor into a storage/release system?

[jgreen]

I remember Don Garlits tried a compressed air reservoir in place of a belt driven supercharger. Must not have worked!

[Gogar]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Should that have been in green? Even my golf cart has regenerative braking.

Originally Posted by aschen

Several current production cars do this already more or less

Wow! Can't sneak any funny stuff past you guys! You must be great fun at parties.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas

Good idea. We'll call it Can of Boost, pronounced Can-a-boost.

Not Can-nae-boost?

Laddie?

[Bill Douglas]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

If we put it on a VW van it would be called can-a-bus



I crack me up.

Ah, your fault I laughed so much I spilled my coffee

[aschen]

Originally Posted by Gogar

Wow! Can't sneak any funny stuff past you guys! You must be great fun at parties.

Nothing gets a party going like sarcasm related to the nuances of hybrid drivetrains

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by aschen

Nothing gets a party going like sarcasm related to the nuances of hybrid drivetrains

Follow up with a filmstrip presentation on the turbo encabulator. You'll get invited back again and again.

[Flieger]

Originally Posted by jgreen

I remember Don Garlits tried a compressed air reservoir in place of a belt driven supercharger. Must not have worked!

Compressed-Air Supercharging

My boss is working on bringing that system in the article to market.

[john70t]

Not the same thing....but France had an air-powered car a few decades ago:
BBC NEWS | Europe | France to unveil air-powered car

All pressure between the butterfly and valves are dependent on use.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Flieger

Compressed-Air Supercharging

My boss is working on bringing that system in the article to market.

Since oxygen is the element that is needed for combustion, why use air (assuming by "air" you mean the natural (78% N, 21%O) air), why not just use oxygen in a much lower volume?

[Flieger]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Since oxygen is the element that is needed for combustion, why use air (assuming by "air" you mean the natural (78% N, 21%O) air), why not just use oxygen in a much lower volume?

Good question, I can ask him. I imagine it is the safety risk. The drag race sanctioning bodies were swayed to allow compressed air tanks but pure O2 is a lot more flammable. The system has blow off valves that dump to atmosphere and dumping O2 would be a major fire risk.

He was a partner at NOS, and he doesn't like N2O now. It is too unstable- it will actually detonate (decompose) on its own under pressure, and it is not a repeatable thing cycle to cycle so it is really hard on engines. The compressed air is a smooth burn, much better for time between overhauls.

[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

please elaborate.

You need a compressor of some sort,which is a drag on the engine always, even when it's not compressing you are sapping power from the engine. Much like an AC compressor.

Overall the car is less efficient, it's also heavier now.

Next, you can't rely on the compressed air, so the car needs to have 'adequate' power without the aid of the compressed air. The compressor would be empty if you needed the extra power twice in quick succession. So now you are looking at 'fun' power, not base power.

I don't see it.

[nynor]

stored boost has been done successfully with a ducati twin setup so that one cylinder acts as a supercharger. boost is stored in a high pressure tank to assist with acceleration from a stop. i found a full write up on the project a couple of years back. if interested, i'll try to find it again.