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fintstone · fintstone's Garage

If you protect yourself and your home, you are relatively safe...as they will always go after soft targets out there like this school where no guns are allowed. Keep making your cities gun free and sanctuaries. Great idea. Places that prohibit guns just make the rest of us a bit safer...as criminals and domestic terrorists like this one will be attracted like flies to feces.

cashflyer · 10-03-2015, 10:48 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Uprising

fintstone · fintstone's Garage

Yep...I read that thread from beginning to end regarding the "beta uprising" of sexually repressed young men who live in the basement and most of their social contact is via the internet with other losers...fits well with the sexually repressed Islamic culture.

With that many nutcases out there...all the more reason to be armed.

island911 · 10-03-2015, 11:33 AM

Gogar · 10-03-2015, 12:24 PM

beta uprising

HardDrive · 10-03-2015, 01:06 PM

Jeff Higgins · 10-03-2015, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Hey Jeff, good to hear. Is it possible to post official NRA press releases or other documentation showing exactly what was proposed? I would love to see it. And any counterpoint material.

If indeed the NRA has made proposals to help with the problem of mental illness and gun ownership, and they haven't been effective in enacting legislation, my point is proven: the NRA needs to lead on the subject and make it a public debate. The fact that the NRA's activities on the subject is not widely known means they are ineffective in publicizing that message. Blaming the media is not an option.

The NRA has a real chance to lead the nation on this topic and they aren't. They need to be as they are the only qualified organization in the country to do the job correctly.

I would suggest simply perusing the NRA's website for their political arm, the ILA - Institute for Legislative Action. You should keep in mind, however, that there has been a decades-long effort put forth by the NRA in both legislative chambers and in courthouses that is not going to be available on the inter webs.

The NRA has no real publicity arm. While it is easy to keep abreast of their efforts if one is a member receiving their publications, they have no real way of informing the public at large. As a result, like many organizations, the only way non-members are aware of their activities is through the mainstream media. The mainstream media, unfortunately, is decidedly hostile to the NRA. They never miss an opportunity to deride the NRA or to blame the NRA for all manner gun crime, yet I cannot remember the last time I ever read a positive story about the NRA in a major news publication. So, yes, we can in fact blame the media for failing to report on the NRA's good works. They certainly have no trouble mentioning them at other times.

I'll bet you didn't know that the NRA trains more law enforcement officers in the use of firearms and tactics than law enforcement agencies themselves train. All with volunteer training staff, all trained by the NRA. I'll bet you didn't know that all NRA affiliated ranges provide free access to local law enforcement agencies for their own training programs. My own club hosts several local SWAT teams on Mondays. Fun guys to shoot with. The NRA's own publications outline all of this. We don't hold news conferences to announce these things...

What we cannot and will not do, however, is provide social programs for disaffected and troubled citizens. We will teach you the mechanics of shooting, firearms safety, hunters' education, and that sort of thing. Beyond offering our opinion on such matters, actually working on the social and familial influences that lay the groundwork for how one chooses to use their gun are well outside our scope. We, after all, learned such things from our parents and mentors at a very early age. We would hope you did, too. If you did not, there are certainly plenty of programs available to help one out in this regard. The NRA is ill equipped to provide yet another, nor do we have any obligation to do so.

Shaun @ Tru6 · 10-03-2015, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

The NRA has no real publicity arm. While it is easy to keep abreast of their efforts if one is a member receiving their publications, they have no real way of informing the public at large.

What?

john70t · 10-03-2015, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

The mainstream media, unfortunately, is decidedly hostile to the NRA. They never miss an opportunity to deride the NRA or to blame the NRA for all manner gun crime, yet I cannot remember the last time I ever read a positive story about the NRA in a major news publication.

I heard a blip on the radio this afternoon.
(maybe ~4/5pm mich pub radio?)
Female hunter and gun owner(who was at odds with the NRA) versus a Brady campaign spokesperson.

-Hunter woman said gun owners are very diverse, and the NRA had no right to represent them all.

-Brady guy said many thousands of illegal internet/gun show sales happen each and every day.
(Somehow this is supposed to correspond with a single mass shooting every year or so in the whole country.)

onewhippedpuppy · 10-03-2015, 06:12 PM

Damn tragedy, it makes me sick. But c'mon people, it is the highest form of ignorance to believe that stricter gun laws will prevent someone from perpetrating a mass killing. Someone that wants to kill a large number of people will instead heed gun laws and forget about their plot? I'm pretty sure drug users have no trouble obtaining drugs. I'm pretty sure criminals in countries with strict gun control laws still can obtain guns. For that matter, how many ways can a mass killing be executed without using a gun? The OKC bombing didn't require guns, only fertilizer and a little know-how.

The knee-jerk reaction is that we have to do SOMETHING. But the fact is that while guns are harder than ever to obtain, these instances were unheard of several decades ago. I think we as a society need to focus on the actual root cause of these issues instead of the symptoms.

fintstone · fintstone's Garage

Two guys in Boston had no problem buying a pressure cooker.

Bob Kontak · Bob Kontak's Garage

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Originally Posted by Racerbvd

It isn't and clearly most don't turn out like that punk (who doesn't look mixed to me)

Dude is a touched mixed. What basis is that for being a nut case? Cripes, my brother, a physician, adopted two half black/white kids back in the eighties. I want to choke those punk-ass fu**ers out The end. ONLY for being the spoiled kids the are. Not because they are mixed. They don't kill people. One is lazy, one is an intelligent smart-ass. Not a crime.

The Fu**ers.

Gonna take their adopted Mom out first. My brother's wife.

Gonna cut the batch

Is this the private forum?

Jeff Higgins · 10-03-2015, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

What?

If a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

The NRA can "announce" anything we want. We own no TV stations, radio stations, or widely circulated print media. Outside of these, how would you ever know this ever happened? The NRA is totally beholden to the mass media as far as getting our word out to non-members. It takes some effort to find out what we have to say beyond what the popular media wants you to think we have to say.

HardDrive · 10-03-2015, 08:18 PM

An interesting point. The most staunch haters of the NRA....when was the last time any of them actually read anything produced by.....the NRA?

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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

If a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

The NRA can "announce" anything we want. We own no TV stations, radio stations, or widely circulated print media. Outside of these, how would you ever know this ever happened? The NRA is totally beholden to the mass media as far as getting our word out to non-members. It takes some effort to find out what we have to say beyond what the popular media wants you to think we have to say.

Jeff Higgins · 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HardDrive

An interesting point. The most staunch haters of the NRA....when was the last time any of them actually read anything produced by.....the NRA?

They simply do not read the materials produced by the NRA. It is all anathema to them, and will get them thrown off the bus to be seen with it. Yet, somehow, they feel they "know" all about the NRA. All they really "know" is what has been spoon-fed them by a hostile, left-leaning mass media. It's what they want to "know" about us, so they run with it.

Just recently I went around and around with some dumb byeotch over on PARF over what the NRA is, and what it is not. She clearly had nary a clue, neither being a member nor having read anything at all directly from the NRA. Yet she "knew" what we are all about...

dewolf · 10-04-2015, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Gogar

beta uprising

Are you guys ever going to come to Australia?? You would kick ass here.

Racerbvd · Racerbvd's Garage

Interesting...

Remember, the media did that to trayvon

sc_rufctr · 10-04-2015, 04:57 PM

I wish this stuff didn't happen but wishing never changed anything.

Any real change starts with the people.

SoCal911T · 10-04-2015, 05:13 PM

Page six and this STILL hasn't been moved to PARF?

wdfifteen · wdfifteen's Garage

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Originally Posted by HardDrive

Or perhaps you're looking at the wrong website and making broad proclamations based on faulty information?

The NRA's political wing is the ILA, Institute for Legislative Action. You can find them here: https://www.nraila.org/

Funny that Jeff didn't mention them. He specifically the NRA. Maybe you should tell him about this ILA.