Unidentified planes come at you and HOW do you not go defensive?

[masraum]

Originally Posted by BeyGon

I don't remember so many Russian planes buzzing American Navy ships like this.

Oh, well clearly, if you don't remember, then it must not have happened. Clearly, in the last 100 years, every instance of this sort of thing has been heavily chronicled in the news papers and on the Internet (Yes, this is exactly the thing the Internet was invented for back in WWI )

[stealthn]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Blame Canada

Probably an Alberta pilot too

[recycled sixtie]

Thanks for the great story Paul/Seahawk. I remember the documentary showing Castro in a missile placement back in the '60's. A US aircraft flies over Cuba and Castro says shoot it down. I don't think this world needs this kind of action again.

How far was this ship from the Baltic Coast? I am sure if there was a Russian ship anywhere close to North America they would get the same buzz job treatment.
Cooler heads prevail....

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

I was there through the start of Ernest Will to Operation Preying Mantis. It was an interesting time.



All true.

The ship being buzzed is an Aegis equipped destroyer with SPY-1 radar - or a newer variant. These are extremely capable ships and I would imagine had everything ready to go should the SU-24 have painted the USS Cook in a particular manner.

The SU-24 is about as stealthy as the Queen Mary and about as much of a threat. The Cook wasn't unaware.

Quick sea story.

I was the Air Boss on the USS La Salle (and the COMIDEASTFOR Air Officer) during the first Persian Gulf War.

During the run up to the ground was we spent a lot of time at sea in the Gulf. The CO of the La Salle was an F-14 pilot who was doing his deep draft ship tour prior to getting his carrier. He would go on to command a carrier, carrier strike group and eventually rise to become the Vice Commander of Naval Operations, a four star billet, second dude in charge.

We became good friends and he was very helpful in my career.

While underway after an import period in Dubai, the CO and I were chatting on the flight deck. It was a fairly nice day for the Gulf and we were yapping.

He is facing aft and I am facing forward in relation to the ship. I spot an air contact about 3/4 miles in front of the ship - it looks like a P-3.

He turns with me as the P-3 does a port pass on the ship at about a 100 ft in both altitude and separation from the ship. I can see the pilot in the left seat, Ray-bans.

We can also see the roundel on the tail of the P-3: Iranian Air force.

The CO looks at me, I look at him, we do a little Bluto dance on the flight deck and he starts running for CIC.

What a goat rope: The La Salle was an ancient ship with a lot of upgrades but had Helen Keller air search radar. The Iranian P-3 was an F-117 to us, which made it clear that I was on a ship bringing a paint ball gun to a missile fight.

Eek.

Edit: BTW, the amount of Nautical Grab A%% that goes on in international waters would surprise most.

You guys never cease to amaze with your histories.

[recycled sixtie]

Originally Posted by stealthn

Probably an Alberta pilot too

Likely a perogy laden Edmonton pilot....

[BeyGon]

Secretary of State John Kerry said Thursday the U.S. Navy ship that was buzzed by two Russian warplanes in the Baltic Sea this week could have opened fire under U.S. military rules of engagement.

The USS Donald Cook (DDG-75) was conducting flight operations with a Polish helicopter Monday when two Russian Su-24 attack aircraft came within 1,000 yards of the destroyer, flying just 100 feet off the ground. The following day, a Russian jet came within 30 feet of the destroyer.

A U.S. defense official described the maneuvers to Fox News as a "simulated attack profile."

"We condemn this kind of behavior. It is reckless. It is provocative. It is dangerous. And under the rules of engagement that could have been a shoot-down," Kerry told CNN Espanol in Miami Thursday.

In all cases, a military commander has the authority to defend his or her ship, plane or other unit. The commander is expected to use his or her best judgment under the circumstances to determine whether the ship faces an imminent threat.

"People need to understand that this is serious business and the United States is not going to be intimidated on the high seas," Kerry added. "We are communicating to the Russians how dangerous this is and our hope is that this will never be repeated."

[techweenie]

Originally Posted by masraum

Oh, well clearly, if you don't remember, then it must not have happened. Clearly, in the last 100 years, every instance of this sort of thing has been heavily chronicled in the news papers and on the Internet (Yes, this is exactly the thing the Internet was invented for back in WWI )

Russian flyby happened last in 2004 - you know, the beginning of the Obama administration. LOL.

[Corvus Corvax]

Originally Posted by techweenie

Russian flyby happened last in 2004 - you know, the beginning of the Obama administration. LOL.

Well, in all fairness, he was planning on becoming POTUS then, so I think the rules of Obama Derangement Syndrome allow us to blame him proactively for that incident. If he had only been stronger in his foreign policy, those damn commies would have known their place.

[BK911]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

I was there through the start of Ernest Will to Operation Preying Mantis. It was an interesting time.



All true.

The ship being buzzed is an Aegis equipped destroyer with SPY-1 radar - or a newer variant. These are extremely capable ships and I would imagine had everything ready to go should the SU-24 have painted the USS Cook in a particular manner.

The SU-24 is about as stealthy as the Queen Mary and about as much of a threat. The Cook wasn't unaware.

Quick sea story.

I was the Air Boss on the USS La Salle (and the COMIDEASTFOR Air Officer) during the first Persian Gulf War.

During the run up to the ground was we spent a lot of time at sea in the Gulf. The CO of the La Salle was an F-14 pilot who was doing his deep draft ship tour prior to getting his carrier. He would go on to command a carrier, carrier strike group and eventually rise to become the Vice Commander of Naval Operations, a four star billet, second dude in charge.

We became good friends and he was very helpful in my career.

While underway after an import period in Dubai, the CO and I were chatting on the flight deck. It was a fairly nice day for the Gulf and we were yapping.

He is facing aft and I am facing forward in relation to the ship. I spot an air contact about 3/4 miles in front of the ship - it looks like a P-3.

He turns with me as the P-3 does a port pass on the ship at about a 100 ft in both altitude and separation from the ship. I can see the pilot in the left seat, Ray-bans.

We can also see the roundel on the tail of the P-3: Iranian Air force.

The CO looks at me, I look at him, we do a little Bluto dance on the flight deck and he starts running for CIC.

What a goat rope: The La Salle was an ancient ship with a lot of upgrades but had Helen Keller air search radar. The Iranian P-3 was an F-117 to us, which made it clear that I was on a ship bringing a paint ball gun to a missile fight.

Eek.

Edit: BTW, the amount of Nautical Grab A%% that goes on in international waters would surprise most.

Cool story.
I was on the Kidd.
"Monkey monkey monkey!!!"

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by BK911

Cool story.
I was on the Kidd.
"Monkey monkey monkey!!!"

I landed on the Kidd a bunch in 1988 during Earnest Will. The OinC of the H-2 Detachment is a friend of mine. I was on FFG-37.

Nice ship.

During the Persian Gulf War I flew with the Desert Ducks once a week or so but don't recall if I landed on the Kidd.

[BK911]

Did you fly a cobra?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by cvjcguk

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Oh, the irony, this spammer is probably a rooskie. Only work available in Russia is being a spambot on U.S. forums.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by shaun @ tru6

oh, the irony, this spammer is probably a rooskie. Only work available in russia is being a spambot on u.s. Forums.

lol

[1990C4S]

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by recycled sixtie

Thanks for the great story Paul/Seahawk. I remember the documentary showing Castro in a missile placement back in the '60's. A US aircraft flies over Cuba and Castro says shoot it down. I don't think this world needs this kind of action again.

How far was this ship from the Baltic Coast? I am sure if there was a Russian ship anywhere close to North America they would get the same buzz job treatment.
Cooler heads prevail....

They get within 60 miles as they leave port.

Clearly they should have destroyed the airfield with cruise missiles before they left port so they wouldn't be in this situation.

[flipper35]

The Aviationist has some other photos taken.

http://theaviationist.com/2016/04/14/here-are-some-more-unbelievable-shots-of-the-russian-su-24s-buzzing-a-u-s-warship-in-the-baltic-sea/

[flipper35]

Sometimes they aren't so good at flying close.

http://theaviationist.com/2016/04/14/that-time-a-soviet-bomber-crashed-into-the-sea-after-buzzing-a-u-s-aircraft-carrier/

[widebody911]

I'd really like to see what happens @ :47

Originally Posted by flipper35

Sometimes they aren't so good at flying close.

http://theaviationist.com/2016/04/14/that-time-a-soviet-bomber-crashed-into-the-sea-after-buzzing-a-u-s-aircraft-carrier/

[gary1101]

How many different ways does a destroyer have to shot down a threat? Plus they can track many dozens of targets and shoot multiple targets at once. When traveling with a carrier a destroyer or missile cruiser is capable of providing the air traffic control duties. They carry multiple types of missiles as well as the very nasty Phalanx CIWS. At close range the Phalanx would shred the jets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L0ZAGOuaqg

[Tobra]

You ever run over an aluminum can with a lawnmower?

That is how I imagine a jet would look if it tangled with a Phalanx system.