Oh my gawd windows 10 is terrible so far...

mikester · 06-08-2016, 03:18 PM

Troubleshooting my mother-in-law's computer. Pretty much stops right after boot up. I can't do anything with it.

You can't boot it into safe mode without a recovery CD unless you can log into it. But if you can't log into it you have to have a recovery CD. Well that's pretty useless...So now I'm trying to figure out what locks this thing up when it boots, it has automatic log-in turned on and I can't do a freaking thing with it.

This is just insult to injury. She had Windows 8 on the laptop working as fine as W8 can but the thing upgraded to Windows 10 automatically on its own. When she told me that it was pretty much the last straw for me an Microsoft Operating Systems. I am OUT. I have two left in the house and they are both Windows 7. The only reason I'll have Windows is for work and only if they force me.

masraum · 06-08-2016, 03:25 PM

My mom emailed me that she walked up to her computer and it said "downloading windows 10, do not power off PC". So she immediately powered it off. Apparently, nothing bad happened since her PC still works just fine. I sent her the link to the GRC app that disables the auto-upgrade crap right after I ran it on my PC.

In case anyone wants to stop what is otherwise nearly inevitable...
https://www.grc.com/never10.htm

Good luck, Mikester!

id10t · 06-08-2016, 03:57 PM

I had it blocked on my Mom's computer, then she got one of the nasties that threatens to encrypt the drive. Before shuttting it down I was able to backup her files, so I wiped Windows and put Linux Mint on. Since she was already using all F/OSS applications (OpenOffice, Firefox, Chrome, Thunderbird, GIMP) I was able to put all her data back and she hasn't really noticed, other than the differences in the start menu applet...

masraum · 06-08-2016, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by id10t

I had it blocked on my Mom's computer, then she got one of the nasties that threatens to encrypt the drive. Before shuttting it down I was able to backup her files, so I wiped Windows and put Linux Mint on. Since she was already using all F/OSS applications (OpenOffice, Firefox, Chrome, Thunderbird, GIMP) I was able to put all her data back and she hasn't really noticed, other than the differences in the start menu applet...

Nice! And props to your mom.

id10t · 06-08-2016, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum

Nice! And props to your mom.

Loooong time computer user - back to DOS 6.22 (no Win 3.x).

Grandma was pretty cool too - at 80something she got a TRS-80 and learned DBase III enough to help coordinate the volunteer effort for the '84 Olympics (she was very involved with the '32 games)

dentist90 · dentist90's Garage

The way MS is forcing winX over everybody's existing OS makes me very suspicious. I have repeatedly uninstalled the GWX update and folder and added it to my blocked update list and guess what... it's back the next month. I guess 'SKYNET' was already taken, so WinX it will be...

stevej37 · 06-08-2016, 05:10 PM

On the other side...I had W8 on my older Dell laptop that was getting so bad with freezing up and slow speed that I decided to download W10. Laptop now is faster than it has been since new. Like it a lot.

dentist90 · dentist90's Garage

I'm using WinX right now on my laptop as well . Didn't like win8 either and X is working OK.
Problem is at work where we have a 12 station network that uses proprietary digital xray software and patient management software that were designed for Win 7 Pro. One of our workstations installed winX despite my efforts (I think one of my employees clicked OK without checking carefully). Well, that workstation could no longer launch the programs and was out of service for 4 hours while I reverted back to Win7 Pro. I was not pleased at all. Even though the update gives you 30 days to go back to your old system the programs have to be reinstalled, not to mention that all her user preferences went back to default. I would like to send MS a bill for my inconvenience.
The Pro editions allow you to prevent automatically upgrading the OS through Group Policy Editor, but obviously it didn't help when someone clicked where they should not have. But I blame MS for not taking 'no thanks' as an answer. It feels as if I'm being hacked by a MS upgrade trojan!!

mikester · 06-08-2016, 05:39 PM

Further digging...I am completely baffled. I have a web security appliance (Ironport) which is part of my lab that I send all my network traffic through for filtering so that the kids don't see the stuff I don't want them to see and I don't get malicious software on any of my computers.

Well, looking through that I see this over the last week that she has been here:

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!

that's over 20GB it's been trying to download in updates.

Today's value was over 8GB!

So I exclude it from the web security appliance and now it is acting 'normal'.

I hate W10 so much...

WolfeMacleod · 06-08-2016, 05:45 PM

Forced Win10 upgrade broke my laptop. Endless boot loop that says "Windows is loading files"
Even a new hard drive isn't accepted. All hardware passesall tests.

dentist90 · dentist90's Garage

If IronPort is saying that she downloaded 18GB in 38 secs... I want your ISP!!!

I'm sure I'm not reading that correctly, though.

mikester · 06-08-2016, 06:25 PM

That's hours

VincentVega · 06-08-2016, 07:24 PM

I logged into a vm today and was presented with new windows. Uh, hmm... how do I.... humbling. Maybe it grows on you but I find it pretty damn horrible.

Willem Fick · 06-09-2016, 12:35 AM

At first I hated it too, but it has done wonders for my laptop's performance. Not a fan of the new look start menu, but will hopefully get used to that too. Found that some of my apps (Fusion 360 for one) works far better than it ever did on 7.

Holger · 06-09-2016, 12:57 AM

Kids laptops and our PC is running Win10. I love it so far.

Porsche-O-Phile · Porsche-O-Phile's Garage

It's not bad - it's the way it's being foisted upon people that's bad. Normally I'd say they're driving more people to their competition (most notably Apple) but Apple is equally bad (in fact worse in many respects) with their refusal to issue certificates for earlier iOS upgrades and thereby forcing people to either "upgrade" now or risk having a permanently obsolete / unsupported device when they arbitrarily decide to do this for a particular release. Their releases of MacOSX have not been nearly so heavy-handed (yet) but macs / laptops are declining in use and mobile devices are taking over - that's where Apple has been most conspicuously very Microsoft-esque and draconian.

Nickshu · Nickshu's Garage

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Originally Posted by Holger

Kids laptops and our PC is running Win10. I love it so far.

Agree. Windows 10 has worked great on our 4 computers we have upgraded. No problems at all and it's light years better than Windows 8. I still like the interface on 7 the best though.

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

For the most part, it works fine. The minor issue is the firewall can cause issues with some programs. You need to let the firewall know that programs like Quick-books sometimes need to allow access. OTOH, a Symantec Anti-Virus recent update caused similar issues.

The only major issue is that Remote Desktop causes the default printer to switch, even if you switch the automatic setting to off. Since most people having this issue also have a Dymo label printer, it may be something to do with the printer/driver.

Other than that, I don't see the big deal. If my 82 year old mother can deal with a switch from Windows 7 to Windows 10, you can too. Her biggest complaint: Solitaire looks different.

The one secret to happiness: Do not use Edge.

stealthn · 06-09-2016, 05:08 AM

And don't forget all the time you have to take to disable all the tracking and invasion of privacy settings...

legion · 06-09-2016, 05:22 AM

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And don't forget all the time you have to take to disable all the tracking and invasion of privacy settings...

This. Cortana was especially difficult to kill.