Education on what to do in the case of an active shooter

[Rikao4]

we call it triage..
realize you can't save them all..
go from there..

Rika

[masraum]

Originally Posted by HarryD

Took active shooter training last year. My take away:
1-Get out if you can do so safely;
2-Hide if you can be unseen;
3-Attack aggressively with what ever weapon or thing you can lay your hands on. No warning just attack until the shooter is rendered incapable of further action or you are stopped by a responder. At this point it is him or you. Make it you.

That's what we were told at work as well.

[Joe Bob]

THEN try to avoid arrest for carrying an illegal weapon. I have a CCW for 44 states and can't get one in CA. I could if I was a State representative......

[Tobra]

In California, it is county by county. My entire life, Sacramento County has been a NFW are you getting a CCW permit. New Sheriff is a shall issue type of guy. In his first month, they issued more permits than they did in the preceding 20 years.

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

GTFO is good advice.

But it's kind of tough in a hospital.

What do you do with patients who are not ambulatory?

Just leave them?

Tell em, sorry, sucks for you but I'm outa here?

Tough situation for hospital staff.

This, surprisingly enough, was the advice given. If they are not mobile, you leave them. The shooter is going to shoot everyone he can until someone stops him. The alternative is the nurse and patient both get shot. This was a tough sell for the nurses in the group.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Tobra

This was a tough sell for the nurses in the group.

I'll bet.

Selfishly, can't say I'm unhappy that I don't have to think about it.

[Tobra]

There are some really tough chicks that are nurses. I know a whole bunch of them that would not even consider following his advice.

[aap1966]

We've actually discussed as a family what to do in a Brussels / Paris / Orlando type situation.

What I told the wife and daughters is 'run like Hell, and don't look back', on the basis that it's hard to shoot a moving target, and the average "Religion of Peacer" is not going to have had quality firearms training anyway.

The 19 year old is a worry though, she'd be the one running toward the shooter to tear his throat out with her teeth...........

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Joe Bob

THEN try to avoid arrest for carrying an illegal weapon. I have a CCW for 44 states and can't get one in CA. I could if I was a State representative......

I thought you were a LEO at one point?

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by aap1966

We've actually discussed as a family what to do in a Brussels / Paris / Orlando type situation.

What I told the wife and daughters is 'run like Hell, and don't look back', on the basis that it's hard to shoot a moving target, and the average "Religion of Peacer" is not going to

I have a Patent Pending for an improved Bullet Proof Backpack. Basically, it adds bullet proof panels which can be flipped up to cover the head and down to cover the buttocks.

The design assumes that the wearer is running away from the shooter. A basic bullet proof backpack is still very good, since most shooters are shooting for center of mass. Make sure you get Level III which is good up to 7.62 FMJ rounds. It will not stop AP.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by red-beard

I have a Patent Pending for an improved Bullet Proof Backpack. Basically, it adds bullet proof panels which can be flipped up to cover the head and down to cover the buttocks.

The design assumes that the wearer is running away from the shooter. A basic bullet proof backpack is still very good, since most shooters are shooting for center of mass. Make sure you get Level III which is good up to 7.62 FMJ rounds. It will not stop AP.

Very cool idea. I have seen the inserts before but your idea is very interesting.

[Norm K]

Originally Posted by red-beard

I have a Patent Pending for an improved Bullet Proof Backpack. Basically, it adds bullet proof panels which can be flipped up to cover the head and down to cover the buttocks.

The design assumes that the wearer is running away from the shooter. A basic bullet proof backpack is still very good, since most shooters are shooting for center of mass. Make sure you get Level III which is good up to 7.62 FMJ rounds. It will not stop AP.

"Off to school now, Billy. Did you remember your books, Crayons and lunch? Oh, and don't forget your body armor."

[masraum]

Originally Posted by red-beard

I have a Patent Pending for an improved Bullet Proof Backpack. Basically, it adds bullet proof panels which can be flipped up to cover the head and down to cover the buttocks.

The design assumes that the wearer is running away from the shooter. A basic bullet proof backpack is still very good, since most shooters are shooting for center of mass. Make sure you get Level III which is good up to 7.62 FMJ rounds. It will not stop AP.

I have an acquaintance that works in NY that has rifle plate in his back pack. His plan is to run to the nearest corner, squat down and hold it up as a shield.

[URY914]

I work in the areas largest hospital and manage the design and construction department. The active shooter problem is huge for us. We have all sorts of issues; doors can't have locks, very open public building, multiple exterior access points, crazy people here all the time, stressful operations, huge employee turn over. The list goes on and on. We're surprised an active shooter hasn't happened in a hospital recently.

There are no easy answers for a hospital.

[Tobra]

Thing about hospitals that shocked me was the no comm for the LEO guys, they need signal repeaters as their radio won't work inside the hospital. I wrote to the seat moistener I have in Congress. I expect the response to be centered around me getting money from the government, rather than what I actually contacted them about.

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Very cool idea. I have seen the inserts before but your idea is very interesting.

He is a pretty smart cookie for a red head. Not by mistake he will be POTUS in 2020

[Rick Lee]

How heavy a plate do you need to stop a rifle round? I had one of those steel spinner targets from Cabela's that was rated for up to .44 mag. I hit it with a .223 and it looked like I had poked my finger through a balloon. And that was heavy with just three hockey puck-sized discs.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Very cool idea. I have seen the inserts before but your idea is very interesting.

The advanced version has 4 panels, 2 as previously described and 2 that cover the sides. There will be some sort of retention system for the head (probably elastic), and the side will make a little belt to hold them to the wearer. A "jock" strap will go between the legs and connect to the same connector as the side panels.

And the main back pack has a similar panel. Level III panels will stop 5.56 and 7.62 NATO FMJ rounds.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

How heavy a plate do you need to stop a rifle round? I had one of those steel spinner targets from Cabela's that was rated for up to .44 mag. I hit it with a .223 and it looked like I had poked my finger through a balloon. And that was heavy with just three hockey puck-sized discs.

10" by 15" Level IIIA panel weighs "less than a bottle of water", so I'd say roughly a pound.

The Same in III weighs about 3.5 lbs.

My system will add about 2.5 to 3 lbs to a backpack. It will stop all handgun calibers.

The heavy version will about 6-7 lbs, But it will stop 5.56 and 7.62 Nato FMJ.

http://www.bulletblocker.com/bulletproof-backpack-panel-large.html

[911SauCy]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

I read a good article on this a few weeks ago, forgot where. If you end up confronting the shooter, the article urged extreme violence toward the bad guy, no pussyfooting around. I really don't think most people are wired for that these days. They have to know they're SOL if they can't escape, but it's crazy to think the police will rescue you.

People can't bother to look up from their phones these days, nevermind defend themselves.

I'm cool with it, better chance I'll survive

[fintstone]

I have done active shooter training a couple times a year for quite awhile. One thing to remember is that the future active shooter is likely there in training with you. My advice is to listen up in training...but, don't be too predictable if the situation occurs to you.

The San Bernardino shooter, the Ft Hood shooter, Navy Yard shooter, etc...all were insiders. Both folks busted at DHS HQ over the past couple weeks...the same.