Tire Plug in a Performance Tire?

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by mattdavis11

Not unless you count a another nail and another plug. I must have had 4 or 5 plugs in one tire on my accord. I toss that thing around more than you 997, run on rough gravel roads, sometimes take the green lane, never a problem. When I saw it splitting on the outer edge of the tread, or where tread used to be, I bought new to me used tires.

I lost 20 minutes Saturday morning getting those used shoes. It's a beater. And I beat the hell out of it, more so than anyone else here does with any car they have. I can promise you that.

I tracked my 987 at Spa with a plug in it..
came back did 240 on the high way , still with that plug in it.

As long as it's in the flat thread, not in the sidewall.. and installed properly, taking time to bore out the hole.. having a clean puncture to start with...clean install.. those things hold just fine.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by Iciclehead

I actually do not know, all I know is that in Europe a repaired tire automatically goes to the S rating, so you can't use it on a high performance car.

Not sure if they are just being anal or whether there are known issues with repaired tires at high speed (approaching their speed rating), just would hate to be swallowing a bridge abutment for the sake of a couple of tires....

Dennis

that's for re-threads.. never heard of such regulation here about simple plugs
a re-thread is modifying the structure of the tire.. you add something to the overall design..

and you can't do it on the car/wheel either So the speed rating changes

a plug is not that complicated.. it's not a design change.. if anything , it repairs the tire's original function by plugging a hole that shouldn't be there
so I doubt there's regulation about it in Europe.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

Typical car forum BS.

Before calling roadside?
So, you're jacking the car while she's on the phone?
Even if this lie were true, it does NOT take 5 minutes (phone call)
And sorry, no chance in hell you're getting the right leverage with the wheel still on the car.

You need to jack up the car
You need to dismount the tire.
You need to remove the nail (can be a fight when it's flush)
You need to drill out the hole
You need to fight the tire and jam in the plug
You need to repeat this 5 times, since the plug comes out with the tool.
You need to re-inflate the tire.
You need to remount the tire.
You need to jack down the car.

It seems like the only posts that I see from you these days are negative. And this thread seems like you've gone looking for stuff to be negative about since this thread is years old.

[GH85Carrera]

With 44 different countries and 44 different sets of laws I would guess at least one of them has some laws about it. You live there, and I certainly don't so I will defer to your local knowledge. But the odds of 44 different sets of laws NO once mentioning it seem slim. Just my hunch, no facts to back it up.

I do doubt any country can tell if you are driving on a plugged tire unless they inspect each tire closely and that is just not even in the realm of possibility.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

With 44 different countries and 44 different sets of laws I would guess at least one of them has some laws about it. You live there, and I certainly don't so I will defer to your local knowledge. But the odds of 44 different sets of laws NO once mentioning it seem slim. Just my hunch, no facts to back it up.

I do doubt any country can tell if you are driving on a plugged tire unless they inspect each tire closely and that is just not even in the realm of possibility.

if somebody says in Europe, I assume they mean the EU which is the legislation that typically covers the entire zone across the borders of all countries..

That's typical for road and car safety things .. EU driven law, adopted by the individual states.

And sure , somebody could pick stricter legislation , but for such obvious things they wouldn't since it's not enforceable with cars driving across the borders.

Now I could be wrong, and there could be an individual state reg.. but then that's not "europe". That's a specific country.

And if I'm wrong, I'de love to know about it, but if somebody says "in Europe it's banned" it's not up to me to prove him right.
Burden of proof is on the one who make the claim since obviously I cannot prove something doesn't exist .. That's simply impossible.

[sugarwood]

Originally Posted by masraum

It seems like the only posts that I see from you these days are negative. And this thread seems like you've gone looking for stuff to be negative about since this thread is years old.

See post #36.
I plugged a rear tire last night.

[Jeff Higgins]

Like many here, I have (unfortunately) plugged my share of tires. By default, this is not something we often get to do at home, in the comfort of our garages. Most of the time it's a side of the road adventure. I learned to do this as a motorcyclist, back when we started seeing cast rims and tubeless tires. What a Godsend - no more tire irons and patch kits. So, as a result of learning to do this on motorcycles, it has never even occurred to me to jack up a car and take the wheel off to do it. Like others have said, I just roll the car until the puncture is where I can see it and work on it.

I have to say, the post that revived this years old thread is completely out of line. Effectively calling another man a "liar" over something as innocuous as a tire repair. He simply described how he had done it in the past and how with a plug kit it really isn't all that hard. Why something like that would set you off, Sugarwood, is beyond me. But you do owe him an apology...

Oh, and for the record, I plugged a brand new Yokohama AO48 after it picked up a nail on its first track outing. I ran eight or ten more track days on it, running it right down to the wear bars, without issue.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

And sorry, no chance in hell you're getting the right leverage with the wheel still on the car.

Why didn't you just stick to this comment rather than adding all the other inflammatory noise? Its odd why that is so important to you.

There are several chances in hell of plugging a tire with a worm plug with the tire on the car. Having the tire on the ground or locked with the brake, if off the ground, is pretty important. However, regardless of angle of attack, your body weight, shoulders minimum, needs to be into the plunge. You wont do it without that.

Plugging with wheel off the car is easiest but still can be hard depending on how the tire is made.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

See post #36.
I plugged a rear tire last night.

I call BS.

Everything he said is true, and you appear to have become somewhat of a troll.

[unclebilly]

Um nope... you don’t take the tire off to install a plug. You can (and should) do this with the tire inflated. You find the leak, ream the hole, put the cord on the install tool, put glue on the cord (If applicable), push the tool into the hole and pull it out as quick as possible. Sometimes you need to put in a second cord. You work quickly and get it done without letting all the air out. It should take under 3 minutes.

It is a ***** to do this off the car.

Originally Posted by sugarwood

Typical car forum BS.

Before calling roadside?
So, you're jacking the car while she's on the phone?
Even if this lie were true, it does NOT take 5 minutes (phone call)
And sorry, no chance in hell you're getting the right leverage with the wheel still on the car.

You need to jack up the car
You need to dismount the tire.
You need to remove the nail (can be a fight when it's flush)
You need to drill out the hole
You need to fight the tire and jam in the plug
You need to repeat this 5 times, since the plug comes out with the tool.
You need to re-inflate the tire.
You need to remount the tire.
You need to jack down the car.

[rusnak]

My farm equipment all use tubeless tires. I've plugged tires on the tractor and the RTV with the tires still on. You take the valve stem out after rolling the vehicle so that the hole is reachable. I guess on a car that would be more difficult, and you'd have to lie on the ground, but it is doable. I never plugged a car tire though.

[A930Rocket]

Originally Posted by masraum

It seems like the only posts that I see from you these days are negative. And this thread seems like you've gone looking for stuff to be negative about since this thread is years old.

+1.

I’ve probably plugged 100 tires over the past 35 years and I’ve never removed the wheel to do it. Pull the nail/screw out and plug it. Two minutes and I’m in my way.

[sugarwood]

Originally Posted by Tobra

I call BS.

Everything he said is true, and you appear to have become somewhat of a troll.

"Done with the plug before wife is off the phone with road service:

Bull****, b/c who calls road service while the husband is patching the tire?
Did she call back and cancel road service?

Car forums are full of liars and I am happy to call out this behavior (troll, apparently)
I am glad to set an example for others to follow.

The only concession I will make that it may be easier to plug a front tire while on the car.
But, I still call BS on the 60 second repair. You can't even remove a tire in 60 seconds.
And bull**** you're plugging the hole while the tire is mounted.
It also takes about 10 seconds for the tire to go flat after you ream the hole.

[mattdavis11]

If I can, I plug it on the car. Sometimes I can not find the leak, even with soapy water, sometimes I can not remove the nail/screw while on the car. Lately I've gotten lazy, the guy down the street charges $9 and removes the tire from the rim and patches on the inside.

My job allows me to pick up screws/nails get punctures/gashes all the time, but no matter where I am, I'm not far from a tire store, tire shack, or shop.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

"Done with the plug before wife is off the phone with road service:

Bull****, b/c who calls road service while the husband is patching the tire?
Did she call back and cancel road service?

Car forums are full of liars and I am happy to call out this behavior (troll, apparently)
I am glad to set an example for others to follow.

The only concession I will make that it may be easier to plug a front tire while on the car.
But, I still call BS on the 60 second repair. You can't even remove a tire in 60 seconds.
And bull**** you're plugging the hole while the tire is mounted.
It also takes about 10 seconds for the tire to go flat after you ream the hole.

Probably the most monumental error point out in Pelican board history.

Thank you, Sheriff sugarwood.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Probably the most monumental error point out in Pelican board history.

Thank you, Sheriff sugarwood.

I figured out what's going on. In the HS reunion thread, he mentions that he graduated in 1961 and is pushing 80. Now get off his lawn!

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by masraum

Now get off his lawn!

OK

I guess at that advanced age you get as mad as hell and you're not going to take it anymore.

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Probably the most monumental error point out in Pelican board history.

Thank you, Sheriff sugarwood.

Yeah, I think someone forgot to remove the plunger before he dropped a deuce.

[fastfredracing]

We just did my buddies GT3 , for the same reason. Basically new Pilot Sport cups.
Party on Wayne, Party on Garth, you will be fine .
I've never seen a plug , or a tire fail from a repair . Im not saying it never happens, but I have never seen one. Ive plugged lots of tires in my life .
When I was a kid, I worked at a Sears Auto, schlepping tires, and plugging was our method of repair. I did hundreds and hundreds of tire repairs in my time there .
I have stuffed 2 or more plugs in big holes on my own stuff, and usually, if the plug held for the first 5 minutes, it lasted as long as the tire .

[flipper35]

I imagine a race tire at 200 plus they don't like you to use a plug, but they have budgets for that anyway.